Official U.S. Money Transfer News

[DaDestroyer]

Latest Update - 1/27

U.S. Friendly:

-EcoCard
-ePassporte
-eWalletXpress
-Payspark

Out of the U.S. Market:

-Central Coin Jan. 18
-Citadel Commerce
-eChecks
-Firepay
-Instadebit
-Moneybookers
-myCitadel
-Neteller
-Nexum

Unclear:

Click2Pay - Operational for current U.S. Customers but no longer accepting new ones.

[DaDestroyer]

Well like most US players on here who used Neteller and are now screwed, I was wondering what you guys are using to transfer money in and out of your poker.com account. I have been trying to created a Click2Pay account and the system and phone are constantly busy, My Citadel Wallet says that they are stopping all US transactions that deal with gambling, and I never heard of Moneybooks but I guess I will try to create an account on there next since that seems to be the only option. Do you guys have any other ideas, or do you think poker.com might work on some other way for US players to transfer money in and out of their accounts?

[knightmk85]

So far looks like I'm screwed too. Click2pay says my isp is not in the USA, of
which it is. They may have followed Neteller (and others) in not serving the
US. Poker.com will not send checks either.
Is there any US players that already have Click2pay, and does it still work?

[nana05]

I have not had any problems and have Click2Pay...just not winning anything to withdraw...only keep depositing! I had the account before this all started tho' with US players not to gamble online.
Sooner or later tho' I am hoping to withdraw something...lol.

:win: Friday Forum Tourney:win: and alot of Satellite Heads Up!! No real big wins to date...soon...:rolleyes:

[DaDestroyer]

Called Click2Pay today and they said that they will no longer be taking anymore new US accounts, but will still serve the ones they have.

[knightmk85]

Thanks for the reply. Guess I am screwed unless poker.com starts handling
checks>

[Geezer1]

So far looks like I'm screwed too. Click2pay says my isp is not in the USA, of
which it is. They may have followed Neteller (and others) in not serving the
US. Poker.com will not send checks either.
Is there any US players that already have Click2pay, and does it still work?
Try going direct to the C2P web site not through Poker.com

[knightmk85]

Tried that, thanks anyway.

[cazwil]

It could be that a lot of American citizens are trying to register at the same time as neteller has gone down.

Could be a case of patience:(

[EddieVedder]

Hello... I just received an email response from Click2Pay stating they are no longer doing business with US customers. I am a Neteller user, and was looking for a new withdrawal avenue. MoneyBookers was my next idea, and they had me input ALL my information BEFORE they popped up the message stating the same as above about no U.S. customers... (thought that was a little below the belt, but i digress...)...

I am a little concerned about this, and was hoping to bump this discussion in hopes of hearing some others' ideas, thoughts and suggestions...

[DangerMouse420]

As far as I know Click2Pay have only stopped taking new US accounts temporarily. With Neteller pulling out C2P have been inundated with requests.

You could also try

Epassportes and ATMonline

And I believe there is another along the lines of UKcash, this one looks as if it may be a serious hope for the future. It`s a completely private company (therefore no shareholders to pacify) run by an English guy who has no interest in ever visiting America and therefore doesn`t give a damn about US laws.

[BINSBUDDIES]

i heard pre-paid credit cards work

[carz990]

Well i didnt realise the americans couldnt withdraw their winnings. Why [play if you cant get your loot. Im sure somewhere along the line .com will start handling cheques either that or theyll lose most of the remaining usa clients.

[MTLdon]

I dont know why poker.com is not speaking on this issue.All the depo methods have stop taking USA clients. Pretty scary stuff.

[skinski]

I dont know why poker.com is not speaking on this issue.All the depo methods have stop taking USA clients. Pretty scary stuff.
Been wondering the same.......

[cazwil]

They could be checking out the 'legal' stuff before saying anything. Which I can't blame them as they are very open about this.

Doubt they want to give hope, if it is going to cause problems in the long run:(

caz

[scotlady]

Hi, I just got an email stating the following - (all I have done is paste it)

This is the latest news:

Central Coin Jan. 18 - The website is currently unoperational. It was confirmed...Central Coin is not taking US gambling deposits.

Citadel Commerce - Jan. 17 - Not accepting US gambling deposits anymore

click2pay - Jan. 19 - Existing users can still use them but no new US customers are not allowed to register.

eChecks - Jan. 18 - Many poker sites are beginning to decline echecks now.

EcoCard - Nov. 10 - Still accepting US gaming transactions. Verified through email support.

epassporte Jan. 17- The guy on the phone support said they will stay open after the 270 time period. The Neteller incident will not affect them.

eWalletXpress - Jan. 17 - Their policies are to still accept US gambling deposits without being affected by the Neteller incident.

Firepay - Stopped US transactions

Instadebit - Jan. 18 A***** Poker verified they are leaving the US.Merchant Banks - Any Merchant Banks that operate with gaming sites will be closed by RBS and Barclays. This is for the UK.

moneybookers - Oct. 25 - They suspended US gamblers from making transactions.

myCitadel - Jan. 17- Stopped all gambling transactions for US residents after Neteller closed to US gamblers.

Neteller - Jan. 18 - Completely left the US market.

Nexum - Jan. 18 - They have dropped US players

Payspark -Nov. 3 - They said it's business as usual but wouldnt comment on the gambling ban.

Paypal - They stopped taking gambling transactions many years ago.

UsemyBank - They are a Canadian company and don't accept US transactions

Western Union - WU is a good deposit option now but with them being a publicly traded company you could see the noose tighten. Here is a review of how Western Union deposits work.

Wire Transfer - Accepted among most sites.

**It looks like Wire Transfers are under attack now so that will probably drop from the list.

http://www.gambling911.com/US-Department-of-Treasury-012107.htmlUS Department of Treasury Proposes Reporting of Cross Border Wire Transfers

[GrandpaKim]

I went to the Neteller web site and found a new FAQ on the homepage. Here's an item of interest.

Can I still use my NETELLER account?

Yes. All US members and non-US members will continue to be able to use their NETELLER e-wallet account for safe online transfers to and from non-gambling merchants, secure peer-to-peer transfers and NETELLER Card withdrawals at ATMs around the world.

Notice "peer-to-peer transfers". Using this poker site's peer-to-peer transfer and Neteller's should make it easy for any American to transfer money through a non-American friend.

I agree this is just a work around; the real solution is to repeal the offending portion of the act. Also note I am not interested in helping make this sort of transfer. I don't want to be arrested if I visit the states, though I deny the U.S. government the right to arrest me for something perfectly legal here in Canada!

[EddieVedder]

So, basically at the present time, after getting blindsided by this, there is currently no way for a Neteller user to withdrawal the money he has in his poker.com account? I have a chunk i'd like to get out while this dust settles....grrrr.

[Miklosik]

im not sure if i can post this or not. feel free to delete it if it violates forum ettiquette. The online version of Card Player Magazine has an article on which wallets are doing what and how various sites are handling this situation.

[JayNYC]

ePassporte looks to be the best option now. I'll review it once they approve my account.

Edit: Please post any important information you find and let's keep this thread to the point. Great post by scotslady.

[NutFlopper]

:rolleyes: I dont know why poker.com is not speaking on this issue.All the depo methods have stop taking USA clients. Pretty scary stuff.

My guess is, only support works weekends

[natsdad]

Still staggering back from Melbourne probably. I believe there was a small tourney there...;)

[DangerMouse420]

ePassporte looks to be the best option now. I'll review it once they approve my account.

Edit: Please post any important information you find and let's keep this thread to the point. Great post by scotslady.

A US friend of mine has tried ePassporte and gave them a thumbs up.

[NutFlopper]

I sense US will have a few new options for withdrawing before Friday.

[EddieVedder]

A US friend of mine has tried ePassporte and gave them a thumbs up.

Foolish question, perhaps, but I don't see ePassporte on the deposit/withdrawal pages in the poker.com Cashier. Can I deposit/withdrawal here with ePassporte? Any current users of this business?

Thanks.

[Survivor777]

:wave: FYI - Important: Be sure you are on the secure ePassporte site - see below ...

Account Verificationhttp://www.trendmicro.com/global/common/images/px.gifhttp://www.trendmicro.com/global/common/images/px.gif
Company: ePassporte

Date Received: November 16, 2005

Summary
Phishing Link: http://64.191.69.245/~onliscn/epassporte.htm
Phishing Technique Used: Explicit display of Phishing URL
Overview: Obtaining victim’s personal account information such as user ID and password through a spoofed URL.Visited Site
The spoofed Web site manifests lack of security as indicated by the absence of the lock icon in the Internet browser's status bar and the protocol used by the Web site. Although the said Web site bears a close resemblance to the legitimate ePassporte’s online login page, the phishers made no attempt to disguise the Phishing URL in the address bar. It is thus possible for the user to determine that the Web site is not legitimate. The fake login console prompts the user for personal account information.

[Survivor777]

:( A friend of mine was going to sign up here, but, as you know, so many have shut the doors on us here in the U.S. to fund accounts. I told her I would do some research on this one; here's another possible "block" ??? Copied directly from their website:

https://www.epassporte.com/secure/images/e.jpg
ACCOUNT RESTRICTIONS

I had always been able to send and receive money by Peer-to-Peer (P2P), but when I tried to send funds today, I received a message telling me that this feature is no longer available to me. Why? Due to recently implemented security measures, ePassporte has deactivated the peer-to-peer functionality of ePassporte Account Holders from certain geographic locations. This change may limit some ePassporte Account Holders from being able to send and receive peer-to-peer funds. Please understand this change has been made to ensure the security of ePassporte and our Account Holders.

Back to Top (https://www.epassporte.com/secure/jsp/Questions.jsp;jsessionid=4178F22C06F9BD7FEDC8D75E0 7F55B81#top)

My friend tried to send me money by Peer-to-Peer (P2P), but he said that he received a message from ePassporte telling him that I can’t receive P2Ps anymore. Why? Due to recently implemented security measures, ePassporte has deactivated the peer-to-peer functionality of ePassporte Account Holders from certain geographic locations. This change may limit some ePassporte Account Holders from being able to send and receive peer-to-peer funds. Please understand this change has been made to ensure the security of ePassporte and our Account Holders.

[Bullettjack]

Does anyone know if you can deposit funds into our Poker.Com accounts using Epassporte? I have been able to deposit on 3 different other sites using EPassporte, but this is by far my favorite site and I dont see anything on the deposit screen that actually works. I have an active Click2Pay account, and have deposited money on here at least 5 different times. But like the other guy said, everytime i logon now I get a message saying my IP address is not from anywhere supported by Click2Pay. Im hoping Poker.Com will add Epassporte as an option, I just dont know how long I could go on without my Poker.Com.

[EddieVedder]

Well, I thought this thread would be more bombarded by U.S. players concerned about their now defunct withdrawal options (at least those with Neteller and no access to C2P).

Just thought I'd pass along a pop-up message I just got from the Cashier section. I found it by clicking on the icon for the Neteller deposit option. Not sure if this is old news, but I thought I would pass it along to ease some minds, as it definitely calmed me down a bit. It's nice to know Poker.com is on the ball and helping us out with what looks like some new and workable withdrawing options coming up soon.... The message stated:

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"We apologoze for the lack of withdrawal options as of today. Please understand that your money is always safe at Poker.com.

As many of you are aware, Netteller and Citadel payment options are no longer available to U.S. customers. We will have several options for both deposits and withdrawals added to the site over the next few days. We understand that this is frustrating, but we ask that you please bear with us as we put our new eWallet and withdrawal solutions in place.... .... The Poker.com Team"
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Poker.com continues to impress me in my short time here. Hope this helps a few other players ease their concerns a bit. Good luck in the Winter Championship!

[carz990]

Paypal do accept gamblin transactions i use it for ladbrokes online. :confused:

[scotlady]

I found a website which shows phishing going on. I think in light of the money situation its gonna be a pretty high risk & I feel that any financial institute is going to be targetted but pls read the bank ones just incase.....

http://www.avira.com/en/threats/index.html

[cymru73]

Paypal do accept gamblin transactions i use it for ladbrokes online. :confused:

only for uk based sites carz, dont know why tho, a gaming site is a gaming site no matter where its situated?

[FOURDEAD36]

my son made a withdraw with click2pay on 1-22-07 and was approved

[EddieVedder]

my son made a withdraw with click2pay on 1-22-07 and was approved

That is because Click2Pay is still working for CURRENT U.S. customers (although likely to change soon). However, the problem that I am having, as is all other NETteller users, is C2P are no longer accepting NEW U.S. customers.

So those of us who had been using Neteller or any of the other companies that have now barred U.S. gaming business, are basically screwed at the moment. I am hoping that the new eWallet solutions that are apparently being added are done so soon. I know I could really use some of my winnings right about now....

Anyone hear any rumors about what companies are being added? I have looked into ePassporte and they seem pretty legitimate. I have some friends who play poker elsewhere on the Internet and they are happy ePassporte users.

Hopefully this will be resolved soon. Good luck at the tables.

[Froliche]

hmmm i currently use click2pay and i'm US and all... just took a nice withdraw but......... i'm scared of this business.... did netteller and the others just take your money in those accounts for forfeit? i don't have much in mine but i keep a small amount in reserve for reloads.... this really sucks can i blame congress?

[Survivor777]

That is because Click2Pay is still working for CURRENT U.S. customers (although likely to change soon). However, the problem that I am having, as is all other NETteller users, is C2P are no longer accepting NEW U.S. customers.

So those of us who had been using Neteller or any of the other companies that have now barred U.S. gaming business, are basically screwed at the moment. I am hoping that the new eWallet solutions that are apparently being added are done so soon. I know I could really use some of my winnings right about now....

Anyone hear any rumors about what companies are being added? I have looked into ePassporte and they seem pretty legitimate. I have some friends who play poker elsewhere on the Internet and they are happy ePassporte users.

Hopefully this will be resolved soon. Good luck at the tables.

:beaten: I had both Neteller and Click2Pay, but primarily have used Neteller. However, as a test, I just tried to log onto Click2Pay web site and I'm LOCKED OUT !!! yes, I am in U.S. - sooooooooo, guess they already locked out us EXISTING CUSTOMERS :eek: :beaten: :( p.s. yes, signed in with all my correct info, pw etc. Of course the 888 number has been busy for 2 hours (I set the phone down and put it on speaker LOL). Oh well, glad I still have some money in my acct to play :cool:

[drugsarebad]

This makes me so angry... :mad: :mad: :mad: "Safe Ports" Bill, what a crock of ****.

Anyways, I have signed up for the ePassporte, and I had a question for people who have used this in the past. It is a withdrawal option for Poker.com?

[chipraker420]

:beaten: I had both Neteller and Click2Pay, but primarily have used Neteller. However, as a test, I just tried to log onto Click2Pay web site and I'm LOCKED OUT !!! yes, I am in U.S. - sooooooooo, guess they already locked out us EXISTING CUSTOMERS :eek: :beaten: :( p.s. yes, signed in with all my correct info, pw etc. Of course the 888 number has been busy for 2 hours (I set the phone down and put it on speaker LOL). Oh well, glad I still have some money in my acct to play :cool:

I too also had Neteller and Click2pay. I always used neteller for withdrawls, but I did one on click2pay just last saturday and I recieved the money today, and I just logged into my account today. I did have trouble Sunday night and Monday morning loggin in, so maybe a server was down. You should try again.

[Survivor777]

Hmmm, well thanks for the info. However, after I tried numerous times to long on without success, I put the paper with my acct info etc in the "shredder" figuring we (U.S. players) were already locked out ... :beaten: :eek: :rolleyes: I still have money in my p.com acct so for now all is ok ;) I only had the acct # etc on "one" piece of paper LOL - torn, ripped, shredded LOL ...

[Jared]

Hi everyone!

As you may already know recent changes in the payment processor industry have led to the withdrawal of some of the payment methods offered by Poker.com to the US market.

We would like to take this opportunity to reassure all of our US based players that all of the funds in your Poker.com account are 100% safe and secure, just as they always have been. Poker.com is here to stay.

We have been working closely with some alternate payment solutions over the last week. We would like you to know that more deposit and withdrawal solutions will be available in the coming days. For now you can still deposit using your mastercard and visa. As soon as tomorrow we will be offering withdrawals by bank checks sent via FedEx.

As you can imagine there has been a large increase in the volume of support requests, and as a result our response times may not be quite as swift as you may be accustomed to when dealing with Poker.com, but please be assured that we are getting to every request as soon as possible and expect response times will be back to normal shortly.

Poker.com would like to thank you all for your continued support of our site and your patience and understanding over the last week. 2007 is only going to bring bigger and better things from Poker.com!!!

[pokerboy841311]

:(, I have heard that all US online poker players are screwed... and if that is the case, and that no US player can cash out real money, well then I'm just going to quit playing online. I will be patient and see if Neteller comes back to senses or if Poker.com sends out checks. I will wait a couple more months. if nothing changes... goodbye online poker. Any one agree with me?

[Miklosik]

i'll stay here as long as they will have me

[fromafar]

:(, I have heard that all US online poker players are screwed... and if that is the case, and that no US player can cash out real money, well then I'm just going to quit playing online. I will be patient and see if Neteller comes back to senses or if Poker.com sends out checks. I will wait a couple more months. if nothing changes... goodbye online poker. Any one agree with me?

Nope, I'll just happily play until it's finally all gone.... :D

[EddieVedder]

This makes me so angry... :mad: :mad: :mad: "Safe Ports" Bill, what a crock of ****.

Anyways, I have signed up for the ePassporte, and I had a question for people who have used this in the past. It is a withdrawal option for Poker.com?

I too signed up for ePassporte after doing some investigating. Currently, no. it is not an option here. But I am hoping that this is one of the soon-to-be-added wallet options coming in the next few days.

... ...

We would like to take this opportunity to reassure all of our US based players that all of the funds in your Poker.com account are 100% safe and secure, just as they always have been. Poker.com is here to stay.

We have been working closely with some alternate payment solutions over the last week. We would like you to know that more deposit and withdrawal solutions will be available in the coming days.

Very reassuring. Thanks a lot for the update.

[Froliche]

strange i just logged into my click2pay and it worked... perhaps they're just systematically shutting us down? idk

[finicky]

I just made a deposit through Click2Pay this morning. Tried last night and it didn't work. E-mail told me to try again today that they were over-loaded with requests.

[EddieVedder]

By any chance, does anyone happen to know how long it would take to receive a withdrawal check? I see that it arrives via FedEx, but was wondering about the time involved being overseas and all (I live in the U.S.).

Just curious. I'm still waiting on some new eWallet options to be added, but am contemplating going the check route if it doesn't take a lifetime or two to get here (like my Poker.com playing cards and coasters! :D ).

Thanks for any input,
EV

[starkstatic]

:(

[mjshing]

i'm just wondering if anyone else is a lil nervous about what this bill means for the average nickel and dime player. i love poker, but not so sure if i believe the legal analysis i've found online that states that because its skill not random chance, and not the actual business of betting(meaning bookie) that were ok.:( just dont wanna be a felon

[mjshing]

i'm just wondering if anyone else is a lil nervous about what this bill means for the average nickel and dime player. i love poker, but not so sure if i believe the legal analysis i've found online that states that because its skill not random chance, and not the actual business of betting(meaning bookie) that were ok.:( just dont wanna be a felon

[aardwolfe]

What about Epassporte, they have worked for me as a backup to Neteller?

[mjshing]

how do you deposit by credit card? or is that a hoax?cause i tried my visa and was denied it said that my bank denied the transaction. is it me or is it actually impossible for us to deposit? they say theres a couple options but i cant tell...tried them both and it didnt work.is their a cirtain kind of card you need?

i'm also wondering why we americans are different. when the australian govt made it law that aussies couldn't play online, poker.com honered it. now the U.S. govt is passing laws and their saying nevermind those laws we will still let you play here? dont misunderstand me i'm very glad. i love the site . its just confusing. are they waiting till the laws in effect to then block us out or what? if anyone with a better understandind than myself could clue me in i'de be very appreciative. :confused:

******THERES LOTSA $$$ TO BEW MADE IF YA JUST HUSTLE******

[Miklosik]

playing online is not illegal. It is illegal for banks to transfer money to any gambling site or to any third party site that would fund your chosen gambling site. International Visa gift cards not purchased thru a financial institution still work for deposits. Withdrawals are another matter. Still trying to figure that out so it won't cost a small fortune in transfer fees or cause problems for any good friend not from the US. Poker.com checks are an option but no one knows yet if US banks will honor them.

[mjshing]

a couple different sites i was considering said they used western union, or would issue checks that would come from a well established canadian bank, is this option the same for poker.com? also if it is illegal to transfer money to the site for us, what kind of shady companies do you think that might attract? i wanna make sure nobody makes off with my millions in winnings :)

[finicky]

I transfer from and to my bank account through Click2Pay. I've had no problem with this, except it takes longer to get the money to my account than it does withdrawing from my checking.

Hope that helps.

[pimpdup34]

I don't know if I'll have to worry about withdrawing in the near future, but I'd like to know whether or not the US banks are accepting the checks from poker.com

[xpander1216]

playing online is not illegal. It is illegal for banks to transfer money to any gambling site or to any third party site that would fund your chosen gambling site. International Visa gift cards not purchased thru a financial institution still work for deposits. Withdrawals are another matter. Still trying to figure that out so it won't cost a small fortune in transfer fees or cause problems for any good friend not from the US. Poker.com checks are an option but no one knows yet if US banks will honor them.

I don't know if I'll have to worry about withdrawing in the near future, but I'd like to know whether or not the US banks are accepting the checks from poker.com

That is what this new law is all about....banks doing transactions with online gambling sites and any site like neteller and the rest...it would be illegal for a bank to cash checks from any online site that is or is associated with online gambling,...... including non online payment options such as offshore banks.... for the reason that an offshore bank would deal with neteller or another and online poker sites themselves via electronic transfer.... which means in order for us to even fund an offshore bank account that would be able to fund our poker accounts and be used for withdrawing our money to them and back to our bank accounts here in the US then a US bank would be breaking this new law because the offshore banks would be associated with online gambling in some way or form.:beaten:{hope you understand lol:D }

Bottom line...unless the laws change and as fars as US players go...were screwed:beaten:

PS: I would also like to add that it would be way to much trouble for US banks or anyone for that matter to monitor or try to stop US to offshore bank to bank transfers and to be honest...it cant be done...even if they know an offshore bank does transactions with onlinge gambling or sites that are affiliated with online gaming...but being realistic..... not many people that are just casual poker players are going to go through the trouble to open up an offshore account just to play quater poker. The fees alone would make it useless for the average everyday player.:beaten:

[scotlady]

Update:

USA Depositing Method Updates:

ATMonline - Jan. 23 - They have frozen US funds and will give US citizens the boot.

Central Coin Jan. 18 - The website is currently unoperational. It was confirmed...Central Coin is not taking US gambling deposits.

Citadel Commerce - Jan. 17 - Not accepting US gambling deposits anymore


click2pay - Jan. 19 - Existing users can still use them but no new US customers are not allowed to register.
eChecks - Jan. 18 - Many poker sites are beginning to decline echecks now.

EcoCard - Jan. 21 - Still accepting US gaming transactions. Verified through email support.

epassporte Jan. 17- The guy on the phone support said they will stay open after the 270 time period. The Neteller incident will not affect them.

eWalletXpress - Jan. 17 - Their policies are to still accept US gambling deposits without being affected by the Neteller incident.

Ezipay - Not taking US residents

Firepay - Stopped US transactions

Instadebit - Jan. 18 Absolute Poker verified they are leaving the US.

Merchant Banks - Any Merchant Banks that operate with gaming sites will be closed by RBS and Barclays.

moneybookers - Oct. 25 - They suspended US gamblers from making transactions.

myCitadel - Jan. 17- Stopped all gambling transactions for US residents after Neteller closed to US gamblers.

Neteller - Jan. 18 - Completely left the US market. This is Netellers press page. Here is the Neteller US gambling FAQ page and here is Neteller's New Instacash FAQ page.

Nexum - Jan. 18 - They have dropped US players

Nucharge - Jan. 24 - Newly adopted by some websites and accepting US citizens.

Payspark - Jan. 26 - Payspark (Ezipay) is not taking US customers any longer.

Paypal - They stopped taking gambling transactions many years ago.

UsemyBank - They are a Canadian company and don't accept US transactions

Western Union - WU is warning customers that their services are not to be used for gambling.

WireCard - Will begin accepting US customers on Feb. 1.

Wire Transfer - Accepted among most sites.

Archived Hourly Updates:

Updated Wednesday Jan. 31

2:07am - M?????? poker is officially out of the US market as of today.

1:54am - There was an article on Foxnews today and also another article had been posted at gambling911. It mentioned online gambling and how the DOJ needed "New Priorities" not New Prosecutors. Seven US attorneys were asked to step down earlier this month. Fox News said the move was politically motivated and questioned the priorities of trying to rid online gambling and regular porn. (fox news article)

1:52am - The EU is expected to challenge the new US law calling it "Protectionism" which could go to the WTO.

Other News:

E-Wallets – Neteller to be Replaced by YouTeller

NewswireToday - /newswire/ - London, United Kingdom, 01/30/2007 - Shortly after Neteller announced its decision to pull out of the US gaming market on January 18, the London-based technology company Seed Capital Ltd. introduced a new payment processing service 'YouTeller.com'.


"We will start in March with a revolution in simplicity of worldwide online payments. Everybody who can download songs or play online games will now be able to pay for that instantly," said Johannes Knierzinger, CEO and co-founder.

On Monday the British Financial Services Authority (FSA) granted YouTeller the "Small E-Money Issuer Certificate", therefore making it possible to operate as an e-wallet. "The FSA has already given us the green light. We will begin services after the server-security testing period is completed," said Florian Schweitzer, company spokesman and co-founder. It took three month to develop the new online payment framework.

"We have no overseas branch in a NAFTA-country like Neteller or Citadel, so we are not affected by US legislation," underlined Schweitzer. YouTeller is part of an international lobbying task force that works on the issue 'worldwide online payments' with the World Trade Organisation (WTO) and the European Union.

The WTO has again ruled against the United States in favor of Antigua and Barbuda, this time for not taking "the necessary steps to comply" with the April 2005 WTO ruling to correct discrimination against foreign internet gambling operators, Reuters reported late last week.

Earlier this month, federal officials arrested the founders of Neteller, an Isle of Man-based online payment processor, while they were in the US to switch planes. John Lefebvre and Stephen Lawrence are set to fight the charges laid against them when they appear in court in February.



Agency / Source: Seed Capital Ltd



http://www.youteller.com/index2.php

I am hoping this post will be able to stay and perhaps poker.com can look into adding this company to its payment options:)

[frisis]

Just to clarify -

Online poker is NOT illegal in the US although it may be in certain states. The case for online poker being legal is the wire act but that has gone to court and the finding was that it did not cover poker.

http://www.playwinningpoker.com/online/poker/legal/

The charges against neteller are a long shot. they are based on money laundering law but it is not at all clear that neteller was laundering money by transferring it. They do not reference the recent legislation. neteller supported sports betting that is illegal under the wire act.

ken

[mimi2mik]

I opened a click2pay acct a couple weeks ago.I was not home at the time they called to verify my acct,so its on hold.Does this mean since they have stopped new accts. that mine may not be reopened? This is freaking aggravating.:beaten:

[skinski]

I opened a click2pay acct a couple weeks ago.I was not home at the time they called to verify my acct,so its on hold.Does this mean since they have stopped new accts. that mine may not be reopened? This is freaking aggravating.:beaten:Same problem here , and trying to find out from them is like pulling teeth out at the moment.......

[AcesHigh80]

ok i havent kept up on the legals of US players not being able to play (which means me) I just stayed comforted by my trust in poker.com and that they would not run away with my money:) but now it's sounding like no matter what they do my money may still be in harmes way and never reach my pocket. So anyone know where i can go and see exactly what the bill states and weather its taken effect or not? Thank you and I hope theres away around it I LOVE POKER.COM and most here:P

[DangerMouse420]

In response to the US Department of Justice’s recent aggressive overtures towards the online gaming community, the European Union has stepped up its own saber-rattling. The Internal Market Services division of the European Union has raised the possibility of legally challenging the United States over the Unlawful Internet Gambling Enforcement Act.

Many in the EU feel that the act is overly protectionist and monopolistic. Charlie McCreevey, European Commissioner for Internal Market Services, was recently quoted as saying, “It is probably a restrictive practice and we might take it up in a different forum.” The next step would be to report the matter to the European Union Trade Commissioner.

The market has viewed this as a positive development, with PartyGaming’s stock being the largest beneficiary. The stock is up almost 10% since news of the potential legal action against the US came out.

For those in the United States considering buying Party’s stock, which is down over 70% since the UIGEA, the ticker is PYGMF.PK. The stock is currently trading at $0.50 per share.

[stwonder]

ok i havent kept up on the legals of US players not being able to play (which means me) I just stayed comforted by my trust in poker.com and that they would not run away with my money:) but now it's sounding like no matter what they do my money may still be in harmes way and never reach my pocket. So anyone know where i can go and see exactly what the bill states and weather its taken effect or not? Thank you and I hope theres away around it I LOVE POKER.COM and most here:P

Cardplayer.com has a number of legal articles covering the wireless act, the recent Neteller situation and more.

[mimi2mik]

Same problem here , and trying to find out from them is like pulling teeth out at the moment.......

Yep.Still no word. Guess I'll have to find an alternative deposit option.If there are any left to us.

[skinski]

It looks like Neteller is stopping Peer to peer transfers by US customers.

NETELLER - Member News (http://content.neteller.com/content/en/member_businessupdate.htm#1a)

"The truth is that the money is in limbo and the companies are not required to refund any money until a successful prosecution or settlement takes place," says Michael Tew, principal of gaming consultant CapitalHQ. "This could take years." Funds from other gambling sites are not tied up, Tew and others say.

Net-betting crackdown freezes funds - USATODAY.com (http://www.usatoday.com/tech/news/2007-02-01-net-betting-crackdown_x.htm?POE=TECISVA)

[cymru73]

Yep.Still no word. Guess I'll have to find an alternative deposit option.If there are any left to us.

I'd be more concerned in finding what your withdrawal options are first.
be a shame to deposit, win then cant get hold of it, only neteller will earn $ out of freezing all this money :(

[carz990]

So glad i dont live in usa at the moment i still cant believe the cheek of the government never get away with that here.

[Froliche]

I don't think click2pay is going to let me withdraw to my account anymore... i need my winnings :(

[Froliche]

hmm i guess support said they're taking away my withdrawl options and will be reinstating it "in a short period of time" so we'll see if anything comes of it, never know this could be it for americans who had click2pay prior to all this bullocks...

[mimi2mik]

I'd be more concerned in finding what your withdrawal options are first.
be a shame to deposit, win then cant get hold of it, only neteller will earn $ out of freezing all this money :(

I am concerned with both scenarios,but at the moment depositing has been the most frustrating part.

[scotlady]

I just got an email with the following, wasnt sure whether to post it or not so feel free to delete Mods if needed..

2/2/2007

FBI doesn't comment on alleged seizure of Neteller funds
USA Today quoted FBI agent Neil Donovan saying "funds from Neteller are being held in court as potential evidence. Some customers may get their money back." "What's in there [USA Today article] is in there, but I really cannot comment further." Neil Donovan of the FBI Public Information Office told TheOnlinewire.com today.

Agent Donovan’s new statement partially defuses the H Bomb his quote on USA Today ignited among tens of thousands of Neteller U.S. members with money frozen in their e-wallets.

Meanwhile Neteller maintains that the company holds all members’ funds (all deposited, in-transit and un-cleared funds) by holding the value in independent trust accounts.

To Neteller’s credit the company would be required to immediately disclose seizure of funds to the Financial Services Authority in the U.K. No such disclosure was reported to date.

Attempts to contact Neteller’s spokespersons have gone unanswered.
Effective January 18 Neteller no longer provides service to US members to transfer funds. Neteller discontinued to process withdrawals on behalf of its U.S. member in the 2 weeks following January 18.

On February 1 Neteller stopped offering its Peer-to-Peer service to US members, the last remaining way for U.S. customers to transfer funds out of their e-wallets.

Neteller maintains that the company holds all members’ funds (all deposited, in-transit and un-cleared funds) by holding the value in independent trust accounts.

Neteller founders Stephen Lawrence, 46, and John Lefebvre, 55, were arrested on January 15. Manhattan federal prosecutors have charged them with conspiracy to transfer funds with the intent to promote illegal gambling.
The two men, who are both from Canada, founded Neteller in 1999. Lawrence resigned as a non-executive director in October after stepping down as non-executive chairman in May. Lefebvre resigned as a non-executive director in December 2005.

The pair, who are currently out on bail, are set to fight the charges laid against them when they appear in court on February 14.

TOW Special Reports – Originally Published February 2 2007 - 4.35pm EST – TheOnlinewire.com – All rights reserved

http://www.gambling911.com/NETeller-Funds-FBI-020207.html

NETeller Funds Being Held by FBI?

NETeller funds are being held in court as potential evidence, FBI Agent Neil Donovan told USA Today. Some customers may get their money back, but he did not provide a timetable.

The federal crackdown on online gambling has tied up the funds of thousands of U.S. patrons of two of the largest services.

The crackdown on BetOnSports, which no longer takes sports wagers from the USA, and Neteller - an Internet payment service popular among gamblers - is intended to put a dent in the $10.6 billion industry.

And it has: Following federal charges against executives from both companies, dozens of the more than 2,300 websites that service online gambling have stopped taking U.S. wagers.

Still, the actions against BetOnSports and Neteller have left the online accounts of their U.S. customers frozen until legal issues are resolved.

"The truth is that the money is in limbo and the companies are not required to refund any money until a successful prosecution or settlement takes place," says Michael Tew, principal of gaming consultant CapitalHQ. "This could take years." Funds from other gambling sites are not tied up, Tew and others say.

Most U.S. customers of BetOnSports have been waiting to cash out money in their accounts since July, when a federal grand jury issued a 22-count indictment charging CEO David Carruthers with racketeering, conspiracy and fraud. BetOnSports handled $1.77 billion in bets during its 2005 fiscal year, with more than 90% of wagers from the USA. An attorney representing the company declined to comment.

More articles of the same:

http://www.kare11.com/money/business_article.aspx?storyid=241077


http://www.eog.com/news/full-article.aspx?id=17468

[stwonder]

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The pair, who are currently out on bail, are set to fight the charges laid against them when they appear in court on February 14.

Thanks for posting Jax
Happy Valentines Day from the true Donks I guess.

[mimi2mik]

Thanks for posting Jax
Happy Valentines Day from the true Donks I guess.

If I remember my history,there was also a massacre on Valentines Day:eek: Just a thought.(just kidding) The deposit saga continues with click2pay.:mad:

[carz990]

Well as we all know i respect the laws of my country and international ;) The simple solution is this.. find a trusted buddy from outside the usa. If you need to withdraw dump your amount to him/her then get them to send the cash on to you via bank wire etc. Carz is a good choice. :cool:

[Stormswift]

A truely horrendous mess, think its bout time for a revolution. Seems that america is turning into what it despised the most during the cold war RUSSIA. you can do this, but can't do that. Earn this but can't spend it.... Is it me or is the world dumbing down that much that it has to be told exactely what to do when to do it and where. Have noticed it over here in spurts. Exams changed out of all recognision. Some marks here some there all added up to make a whole. No more having to learn for 2/3 years then be tested on it. No now get tested as you go along , just in case you might forget... Colleges offering dubious courses to give people a certificate woohoo. I can't believe people are getting that stupid that, as has started in USA, they need to be told what , where, when how. Good Luck y'all in ya fight you have to beat this for the sake of us all for heaven only knows where it end or we could ask Bush :eek:

[MaxAxe66]

all this **** sucks...I thought I lived in the land of the free and home of the brave.....well Ive been wrong before...just ask my wife:eek:

[SteelmanJohn]

I agree, I just hope this gets straightened out before my poker.com account hits zero...lol

[LooTownAce]

So am I understanding right that U.S. citizens can't withdrawl funds?

[fromafar]

So am I understanding right that U.S. citizens can't withdrawl funds?

Nope. Look at the date - this is an old thread...

[MoeBluffin]

Have any U.S. players tried the WesternUnion deposit option recently? If so is it reliable?:)

[Miklosik]

Western Union is not an option, I don't believe

[FOURDEAD36]

do not use the ACH/E-Check option either if you are in a hurry....deposited 10-15-08 still waitting 10-23-08

[almurray]

do not use the ACH/E-Check option either if you are in a hurry....deposited 10-15-08 still waitting 10-23-08

:eek::eek:

[hdfree]

do not use the ACH/E-Check option either if you are in a hurry....deposited 10-15-08 still waitting 10-23-08

Hey Bud ............... personally, I think you should make all deposits and transfers directly payable to me via PayPal.

It only takes a few minutes and I PROMISE it
will be put to good use immmediately !!!! LOL :D

[Bud518]

Use Pic Club if you want. Haven't had any problems since using them.

[AAONTHEFELT]

Hi well i would say use ECHECK but wow it takes 5 to 7 days here before money is in your account not like other sites. But me and my husband usually just go to the store and by All Access visa cards instead of using are credit cards or try using www.picclub.com there quick and easy. Hope I helped a little.

[skinski]

Hi well i would say use ECHECK but wow it takes 5 to 7 days here before money is in your account not like other sites. But me and my husband usually just go to the store and by All Access visa cards instead of using are credit cards or try using www.picclub.com (http://www.picclub.com) there quick and easy. Hope I helped a little.picclub is reliable, but folk should be warned that withdraws from there are slow. I use them on a regular basis for here and other sites and have since last year. Withdrawals from the site take at least 15 business days...it usually takes more like 20 for me to recieve a check (and has taken up to a month and a half). But the checks are easily cashed. (mine come from just a couple states down from me)

[bubbachuck610]

picclub is reliable, but folk should be warned that withdraws from there are slow. I use them on a regular basis for here and other sites and have since last year. Withdrawals from the site take at least 15 business days...it usually takes more like 20 for me to recieve a check (and has taken up to a month and a half). But the checks are easily cashed. (mine come from just a couple states down from me)


Have you made any withdrawals through Picclub recently? I made one in January and it took 2 months. Have they gotten any faster lately?

[NewYorkCHICK]

Hi well i would say use ECHECK but wow it takes 5 to 7 days here before money is in your account not like other sites. But me and my husband usually just go to the store and by All Access visa cards instead of using are credit cards or try using www.picclub.com there quick and easy. Hope I helped a little.

Where do you live that you can still find All Access Visa cards around?.. I used them for years until they stopped selling them in my area at any of the 7 stores in my city. I saw someone else in a totally different state say they couldnt find them anywhere anymore either... I figured they gt rid of them or were banned to be sold in U.S stores becasue they were the only ones that you can use on these poker sites

[NewYorkCHICK]

Im just looking for a site where I can easily transfer my money back and forth from pokersites like moneybookers since I cant easily use All Access Visa cards anymore (they stopped selling them in stores where i live), and the only option I see left is UseMyWallet which noone had enough sense to explain to users how to use not in the PDC CASHIER section where its offered or the UseMyWallet.com website. Theres nothing but an username password input box on the home page and THATS IT.. no explanation at all on what the site is or how to use it, no sign up or join button, no FAQS, no 'how to' retrieve password when you put the wrong one in, no nothing... lol ridiculous. I guess you have to have some past insider info only certain ppl are priviliged to know to transfer money from that site. I did see something about some kind of invitation needed or something before you can use it on a totally different site with the UseMyWallet keyword in it after using Yahoo search, but who knows whats really up with that because no one gave a quick descript on it.

So I go to check out this PIC CLUB after reading a couple posts on here and after checking that site out it looks like its way more than just a simple money transfer site, but im not sure because again theres no FAQ's section, but after blindly having to click on the join button I see a large terms of servce contract about SHAREHOLDING/SHAREHOLDERS and not on transferring money to pokersites. I have no clue what the minimum deposit amount is or exactly whats required or nothing, just a clue that my money I just want to transfer to a poker site might be on the New York Stock Exchange instead... wtf?? lol

CAN SOMEONE direct me to a simple money tranfer site that I can start using on these poker sites again or atleast explain to me EXACTLY what PIC CLUB is and what exactly is going to happen to my money if I deposit it there. How much the minimum depost and transfer amount is and what do I need to be verified. Will I be able to just load a credit card on it and start using immediatly or will i NEED a checking account instead so i can be verified... You know just all the simple questions that should be somewhere on the site before signing up. :confused:

[reynaldo]

as for the pic club i belive u can take money off this site from there into an account.. i dont use it but i had mine set up just in case.. i use the old check withdraw myself when i take money out.

i might suggest that if u make some good friends online u can maybe use them to trransfer money into your account .. that is if the sites allow it player to player and transfer it to them on on this site if you already got money on this one

[reynaldo]

:beaten:p.s. i wouldnt make friends with someone named TRODAI... they got bad wrap about taking peopels money:beaten:

[skinski]

Have you made any withdrawals through Picclub recently? I made one in January and it took 2 months. Have they gotten any faster lately?That's about the time it took the longest for me to get a check as well. I think it was during that time they were changing processors or something. Yes, I've received checks since then much sooner.

To the one needing to know more about picclub. The best answer I can give is they run about like an online wallet except there is a very small sum comes out to be placed in shares of the company. The owner of the company, Chuck, answered a lot of questions at the APCW last year on folks concerns. You might try a search there and find the answers to all your questions.

[fromafar]

Where do you live that you can still find All Access Visa cards around?.. I used them for years until they stopped selling them in my area at any of the 7 stores in my city. I saw someone else in a totally different state say they couldnt find them anywhere anymore either... I figured they gt rid of them or were banned to be sold in U.S stores becasue they were the only ones that you can use on these poker sites

I have noticed the All Access prepaid cards have disappeared in my area as well. I have a reloadable one from them that I can load from any Western Union location. Check out netspend.com to get a reloadable one....

[NewYorkCHICK]

That's about the time it took the longest for me to get a check as well. I think it was during that time they were changing processors or something. Yes, I've received checks since then much sooner.

To the one needing to know more about picclub. The best answer I can give is they run about like an online wallet except there is a very small sum comes out to be placed in shares of the company. The owner of the company, Chuck, answered a lot of questions at the APCW last year on folks concerns. You might try a search there and find the answers to all your questions.

thnx

[NewYorkCHICK]

I have noticed the All Access prepaid cards have disappeared in my area as well. I have a reloadable one from them that I can load from any Western Union location. Check out netspend.com to get a reloadable one....


Oh the reloadable All Access Visa Prepaid cards do work? I wouldve bought one of those 5 or 6 months ago when they stopped selling the temporary ones but a ******** rep told me they didnt work either but you say you can use yours fine on poker sites?

[fromafar]

Oh the reloadable All Access Visa Prepaid cards do work? I wouldve bought one of those 5 or 6 months ago when they stopped selling the temporary ones but a ******** rep told me they didnt work either but you say you can use yours fine on poker sites?

Yes, here and two others that Honesy won't let me mention (but my PM does). :D

Good luck!:crown: