Poker is promoted in a sexist manner and is biased against men

[enzolito]

Poker is promoted as a sexist game and is biased in favour of women.

This was a post I made a few months ago and it recieved virtually no replies and was hardly read.
Ok...what could be done
to get a reaction...to discuss this idea...to see where the fulcrum really is to be found?
Get the people involved,get them motivated,get them making assumptions, get them putting words in my mouth get them taking some sort of stance.
It seems to have worked as witness the amount of reads the posts are receiving and the amount of replies that have been made to them.
Thank you to all the readers and thanks again to all the people that took the time to post a reply,apparently adverse or apparently supportive.

The first thing I should like to do is finally clarify various topics and themes that have been attributed to me,rightly or wrongly.
None of this has been aimed at women only clubs,I have siad in an earlier post that I do not see the harm in them or in men only clubs.
There are bigger issues than clubs to consider.But yes men should be able to have their own too.No fair minded person could say otherwise.

Women only poker tournaments, now that is a different issue.
However this is an area that is causing a deal of friction and I seem to be misinterpreted by many who,I am sure, are decent right minded people.
Certainly the statement in some of the posts,especially one of the most recent ones, that the theme of women only tournaments has been made before,will surely be correct.However....It must be an obvious fact that whatever arguments anyone can make to justify the existance of women only poker tournaments,can be used to justify the creation of men only poker tournaments.It is little wonder then that fair minded people and men in general see that by creating men only tournaments the balance would be restored.

The fact that this was done to death,or that nothing came of the argument does not per se mean that their view was incorrect or flawed but more likely that they went about correcting an injustice in the wrong way.There was probably no coherent plan formulated to build and keep any momentum going.

If I am against Women only tournaments,I am against Men only tournaments .
Even though I recognize the injustice of the situation if the Status Quo remains as it is,this idea of the creation of men only tourmaments is entirely different to the stance I will later come to.

Another point has been made that women have not asked for these tournaments and one reply to my post makes the very valid point that women only tournaments is a sales tool......
The person who wrote that,and those who agreed with it have, whether expressed or in sentiment have hit the nail on the head. Now it would seem that at least one person agrees with my contention,for if it is, as he said , a SALES TOOL ... then there is the rub.
POKER IS PROMOTED AS A SEXIST GAME.

This is not a problem found only on this site.It is global in the world of poker.
Consider this......
Women are exploited by the companies that run world poker,and are happy to accept the cash for doing so.
They are used in a sexist way to promote the game.
They are to be found ,in various states of undress on ths cover of all the glossy poker magazines,in all the advertisng for the events,during and at the competitions themselves..posing with the players or waking in with platters full of the prize money.Do you get my drift?
The very top echelons of the poker world are rife with promoting poker in a sexist way and this has filtered down to virtually the grass roots of the game.
Just look at the sexist ways that poker is promoted on this site I was going to list a few but feel that I do not really need to do so as all that is required is for you to open your eyes and look at the images on your screen.
I will leave those thoughts with you again for a while.
But what about the main crux of the statement ..... Poker is biased in favour of women.

In the WSOP tournament event 15...was promoted as The Womens NLH Worlrd Championship with total prize money of 1,082,000 dollars,paying out 225,000 dollars AND a bracelet to 1st place and paying down to 99th position.
I could give similar statistics for WPT,EPT.APPT and GBT.If you want to argue the point ,look up info on their structure on the net.
The main tournaments are billed as MIXED events.
This clearly means that more tournament winnings are available to women players in any of the major Series of poker tours.
Also it means that a woman has the opportunity to win more Bracelets or rings than any man over the week or two of competition
How can anyone justify this sexist division?
The very first few world championships were undoubtedly all male events.I assume that the women only events were started with the laudable intention of promoting womens poker in a male dominated game.An argument that someone posted as a reply to mines.
But that is no longer an argument that can be sustained today.

The entrance fee was 1000 dollars, a sum that would no doubt put the tournament out of the reach of most men and women alike on this site.
For 99 people to be paid out in a live tournament there would have to be something like 12000 entrants.....and I stand to be corrected on that figure.
In the last WPT in Barcelona,the starting field was 478 entrants with approx.135 women a fair sized minority.
Surely this situation can no longer be justified and allowed to continue.The playing field is now equal so the rewards and opportunities in any competition should be equal.
If women only world poker tournaments are to remain,then any argument used to for them can be used to justify the creation of and therefore parity with women in the creation of a men only championship I am against both.

This injustice and sexist way of promoting the game has found its way into the card room, the local casino and ..most of all..any poker site in cyber space.
This,in the words of Calimero,IS AN INJUSTICE,IT IS.and needs to be rectified.

Women only tournaments are being used by the sites to lure women into poker.I do not believe that these women need to be lured in and would enter of their own free will.
There is no case for these tournaments at all.I DO NOT WISH TO SEE MEN ONLY TOURNAMENTS as a means to even the score.

My contention is this WOMEN ONLY TOURNAMENTS SHOULD BE ABOLISHED as they are tools for the sites, to promote,inadvertedly perhaps. sexism in our game.Single sex tournaments are devisive and totally unjustifiable in the modern game.
THIS IS ESPECIALLY TRUE OF THE WOMEN ONLY TOURNAMENTS ON THE CYBER SITES

These should be the first to go.
Besides the argument I have already put above there is another defining one that I have never seen put forward by anyone....

Women,or even men..if they existed.. tournaments are open to abuse.
In the annonymity of the internet poker sites, any man who has a partner registered on the same site can play in the women only tournaments.There is no need for the feminists or defenders of women only tourneys to jump up and down protesting.....IT DOES HAPPEN AND WILL CONTINUE TO DO SO.
I know of at least two couples that have let the men play,one of whom won the tourney and the other came third..
I will not be naming names,let them come forward if they wish.
I am correct in my accusation and therefore I will make the following assertion.THE ALLOWING OF MALE PARTNERS, HUSBANDS AND BOYFRIENDS TO PLAY IN WOMEN ONLY TOURNAMENTS COULD BE WIDESPREAD AND THEREFORE DEFEATS THE MAIN ARGUMENT PUT FORWARD FOR WOMEN ONLY TOURNAMENTS.
In the interest of fair play for women ..they have to go.

Just when you thought the point has been made out pops another statement,which this time I will clarify immediately now that there are sufficient interested people reading this post.
THERE IS A CASE FOR SEGREGATION ,and so a separate tournament, that can be made and which goes far beyond any argument for men or women only tournaments.
In the WSOP there were some registered blind people playing.
In the WPT too in America.
Indeed some of you may have seen an article on them in one of the WPT poker magazines
In the Barcelona WPT,there was at least one registered blind person playing.
In a card room in Fuengirola,Spain there are two diabled people who regularly play.
In Edinburgh at the casino at which I play live games,there are disabled people who play and a registered blind person who used to play but stopped as SHE felt uncomfortable and was sure her minders voice could be heard by others at the table.

THE ARGUMENT THAT WOMEN ONLY TOURNAMENTS WERE ORIGINALLY INTENDED TO PROMOTE POKER by encouraging women in is now history and deserves to be stopped.
The sentiment of that idea should now be used to promote and encourage more disabled people to take part.
I made the point in my last post I think it was,that poker has the most level playing field of all games and therefore there should be no separation in the allocation of tournaments.I could justify that but I am sure there is no need to.
I was wrong.
There is a case for the disabled to be encouraged to take part in this great game of ours.A game that owes nothing to sexism,sexual orientation,religion or racial predjudice nor indeed physical prowess.
Except in the closed minds of those who try to defend women only tournaments or indeed promote men only tournaments.

I would like to repeat my statement

Women and men should stand up and be counted......
Poker is promoted as a sexist game and is biased in favour of women

DISCUSS


NEXT POST
THE SOLUTION

[Miklosik]

Which bothers you more, promotions geared toward getting women to play or promotions geared to getting more men to play by using women? Women will respond to a ladies only event - for a short time anyway - and men will respond to a pretty face. Are you suggesting that all marketing, both live and online be changed?

[JayNYC]

I didn't read this but typically women play much worse than men...so more women plz. Thanks!

[fromafar]

I disagree that poker is sexist, either for or against either sex. I think poker is being marketed toward the appropriate audience it is trying to attract.

New players are enticed by new player tournaments. Omaha lovers are drawn by their favorite tournaments. Women new to the game are more comfortable with other new women players. Europeans are drawn to games in their locale/time zone, etc.

If poker were biased towards women, then the models used would be of a more masculine persuasion rather than sporting the feminine ta-ta's we now see. As of now, the majority are males, so marketing also gives them what they want...

[enzolito]

To MIKLOSIK..I am not particularly bothered about either ,nor even the marketing,merely observations.I do not like seeing women being exploited and the marketing does just that.Feminists are the 1st to decry nudes in the papers in order to boost sales however women are also the 1st to take the money to do just that.Where is the difference in what these girls are doing?They are well paid for doing it and I can understand why it is so.It does nothing to enhance the image of the game,but I have no really strong views on this.

To JaYNYC..That may or may not be the case in actual fact.It surely is open to debate.I find that a lot of the women I have played against are good solid players.There are many who are not but that is also true about the men on this site.If it is your experience and you are more comfortable playing against women having an air of confidence about you,then good.It will help you play better and increase your wins.
All platers,including poor ones,will improve their results and game if they exude confidence.This is not solely confind to poker.

To Fromafar...You make a couple of valid points but I would take issue with them.
Absolutely correct that marketing is aimed at the appropriate client base..
As far as the game being sexist, you will not convince me that it is anything but, for the reasons in my post.I do not see that an argument can possibly be made to the contrary in favour of women only tournaments.These have to go.
Basically when it comes to the issue of single sex tournaments.They simply can not be justified.
I believe that there is no major difference in the quality and skills between new male and female players.They have new player free rolls every few hours and these are available to them over a month or so.
There is no justification in having women only tournaments and putting forward any sort of argument in favour of them is also an argument for men only tourneys...I am against both.
Do you not think that perhaps new men players will be more comfortable playing in men only tourneys?
I feel I have a solid valid point in my assertion that single sex tournaments on line are open to abuse.
All of you raise good points.Thanks

[boofman80]

i like sexy women on magazines and if women are so bad at poker i am making a new female account on this site it will be called boobalina69 so look out ladies!!!! YEEEEHHHHAAWWWW!!!!!!!!!1111

[armbrust]

I didn't read this but typically women play much worse than men...so more women plz. Thanks!

I have the same fell so far.

[enzolito]

To Boofman and Armbrust and everyone else with a like mind

We all want to find the games and tournaments in which we are the sharks and the others the fish.Thats a fact of poker and if you wish to be a winning player it is what needs to be done.

Are you therefore using that as a reason for doing away with women only tournaments?
If so,then you agree with me that they should be ended.
Whatever the reason for supporting my view,all are welcome.

[Snoggler]

Enz that last part even though site wont change i agree about. You do have valid points reagarding the ladys only.

[Miklosik]

Women are used to playing second fiddle. In fact, at times I think we are bred for it. Our children come before us, our mates come before us, our jobs come before us.

Men, however, find it difficult to play second fiddle to anyone or anything. Maybe this is the underlying reason to your discourse?

[almurray]

Way too much time on your hands....took too long too read it all! How long it take to type it? Or have you got a nice long leggy blonde bint to do it for you? (That was a joke)

[enzolito]

To MIKLOSIK
I have repeatedly made the point I am not sexist and have supported women on many occasions when I felt they were wronged.This is not a case of my feeling I am second fiddle etc.Do you really believe that?I give you the benefit of the doubt.
The existance of women only tournaments leads to disquiet and provokes men to wish to be treated equally,which is not happening.
If all my arguments made do not convince you that I have a valid point of view and all those in favour of women only tournaments ars correct,I would ask you to then try this.
Any argument raised for women tourneys,turn them around slightly and make the emphasis men.You will see that these arguments can equally be made for men only tourneys.
I am against both.
If that does not convince you then try to defend my point that women only tournaments on line are being abused in the manner I said.
My conclusion is,that being the case,single sex tounaments should be abolished.There are plenty of tourneys geared to novices besides freerolls.

To Snogger
Glad to see that you have read it and agree with some of my post at the very least.
The people who posted on the subject before died out as their arguments were shot down and allowed the passage of time to have their points buried.
The whole thrust of this series of posts was to unearth the feminists and those who would carry on with the status quo and get them to put forward a considered arguement For the status quo.
If you look at the replies made,so far not one such person has challenged my main points.There have been some comments about this and the other but NOTHING on the main points.
Why is this?You can not defend the indefensible nor justify an injustice.Is that it?

To Al,
I knew and hoped you would still read my posts.
Have you got those splinters out yet?lol
As for the blond..I wish lol .......Yes it took a while to compose and write ..but what the hell..Used up some of the time
Take a stance AL....I do not care if you disagree..that is what debate is all about

[almurray]

I agree actually.

But, its nothing more than marketing. Take any company in business. They (wrongly IMO) all have introductory offers and packages for new customers that are always better than those for existing customers.

Reload codes here are the same...much better for new customers than for loyal ones. But look at banks, Sky etc, they are all the same.

I have asked to have some "men" only tournaments to restore the balance.......but it is always ignored. Dont get me wrong I never wanted a "men" only tournament, but I do want equality.......ok here comes a non poker rant....sorry

As a middle class working white male with 2 children and a wife I am probably in the class of people that is most discriminated against in the UK, so whenever I get the chance to get a bit back I will always try.

If I was female, unemployed, disabled or of ethnic background I am sure I would get treated much better.....ok rant over. Anyone offended?

[Miklosik]

To MIKLOSIK
I have repeatedly made the point I am not sexist and have supported women on many occasions when I felt they were wronged.This is not a case of my feeling I am second fiddle etc.Do you really believe that?I give you the benefit of the doubt.
The existance of women only tournaments leads to disquiet and provokes men to wish to be treated equally,which is not happening.
If all my arguments made do not convince you that I have a valid point of view and all those in favour of women only tournaments ars correct,I would ask you to then try this.
Any argument raised for women tourneys,turn them around slightly and make the emphasis men.You will see that these arguments can equally be made for men only tourneys.
I am against both.
If that does not convince you then try to defend my point that women only tournaments on line are being abused in the manner I said.
My conclusion is,that being the case,single sex tounaments should be abolished.There are plenty of tourneys geared to novices besides freerolls

You say that you have supported women on many occasions when you felt they were wronged. It is my turn now to extend to you the benefit of the doubt as you have not documented instances where this is the case. At what cost to you was this 'support'? It's fine to talk the talk when it doesn't cost you anything. Have you stepped away from a job or declined a promotion so that the woman working with you, having the same qualifications, could have it? Or have you instead voiced your displeasure at a male co-worker getting an offer instead of it being given to a female co-worker? One example is walking the walk while the other is talking the talk.

Now to address once again the Ladies Only tournaments on Merge. If Merge offered no other tournament near the same time slot and with roughly the same buy-in that allowed men to play, I might pay closer attention to your arguements. But since Merge does in fact offer tournaments at similar times with similar buy-ins that are open to men I'm afraid you have a long way to go to convince me that it's a sexist situation.

I have no emotional investment in these Ladies Only tournaments as I choose not to play them even though qualified to do so. I wouldn't want you to think that I was in fear of losing a favorite game. I simply do not find it sexist to offer them.

[PokerGenius666]

Ok ive read it all and i cant pick out your main points, sum them up for me? I do agree with quite a bit of it though... :)

[jonojazz]

Poker is promoted as a sexist game and is biased in favour of women.

ahahahahahahahaha

if u gave me breasts all aye would do was feel em.

if u gave me breasts only tournaments, well aye'd ogle.

get a life imo.

sex sells period.

[egs500]

I do not like seeing women being exploited and the marketing does just that.Feminists are the 1st to decry nudes in the papers in order to boost sales however women are also the 1st to take the money to do just that.Where is the difference in what these girls are doing?They are well paid for doing it and I can understand why it is so.It does nothing to enhance the image of the game,but I have no really strong views on this.



yes, but what does it have to do with poker? i mean - it does but so is nba basketball, ufc boxing idont know.... the donuts commercials... poker is promoted as a sexist game? if so, the whole world is promoted in favour of women.

where is your speciffic point ? the one that will connect this issue to poker? or are "the women only" is the Big problem?

so you decide on that plz ;)

[enzolito]

To Al.
You obviously then do not sit on any fence lol
You made a case for men only tournaments....did you give up,or does the spark remain?
When I see how things are being done I can see why you and others gave up.
Read on MacDuff

To Miklosik
When someone gives another person the benefit of the doubt,They do not then ask that the other party elaborates or proves themselves in any way.
But you do just that and are endeavouring to put me on trial or at the very least insinuating that I am being untruthful.
My first reaction was to let your remarks pass but then why not reply to them in a forthright and honest manner.
I will give you the benefit of the doubt as to your reasons for these questions.

quote
You say that you have supported women on many occasions when you felt they were wronged. It is my turn now to extend to you the benefit of the doubt as you have not documented instances where this is the case. At what cost to you was this 'support'?

The cost to me was financial,it cost me time and I ended up in court.

quote
Have you stepped away from a job or declined a promotion so that the woman working with you, having the same qualifications, could have it?

Do not be ridiculous.
I have neither stepped away from a job or declined a promotion just so a woman could have it.Is that feminist ideology?Even a die hard feminist would show you the errors in your statement.
Why should I?...Are you saying then that that is sexist of me?
I have applied for promotion and the job was given to a woman,with LESS qualifications than me in order to fulfil the quota allocted in my sector..ie she got the job soley becuse she was a woman.
She became my boss and I congratulated her on her promotion.She ended up being the best Man for the job and proved an inspiration to me and all those that worked with her.She,literally taught me a lot and I am proud to have worked with her.

quote
Or have you instead voiced your displeasure at a male co-worker getting an offer instead of it being given to a female co-worker?
Yes,3 times and ended up in court once on behalf of the woman.

quote

It's fine to talk the talk when it doesn't cost you anything. One example is walking the walk while the other is talking the talk.

Is that enough walking the walk or do you wish me to run the run or sing the song or wear the T/shirt as well as print it?

quote
Women are used to playing second fiddle. In fact, at times I think we are bred for it. Our children come before us, our mates come before us, our jobs come before us.

Like women have the only rights to that stated sentiment
There are millions of single parent fathers,fathers with partners who claim the same and do exactly that.They deserve to be recognised.

quote
Men, however, find it difficult to play second fiddle to anyone or anything. Maybe this is the underlying reason to your discourse?

Is that the best put down that you can come up with?..again I give you the benefit of the doubt.
If the first fiddle is broken or out of tune then the second becomes the first.
I feel I answered this point,jibe more like,above
Are these not sexist remarks saying that men find it difficult to play second fiddle to anyone or anything?
And ,not any of your remarks can stick on me.I refer you to an answer earlier.

Why not stick to the point?
The following only need a yes or no reply.
You yourself have said that poker is using women only tournaments as a marketing tool.

Is it or is it not then using a sex to gain new members?
Is a woman only tournament biased in favour of women?
Do you think that the status quo should continue?
If the status quo remains .....
DO you accept that men should be able to have their own tournaments?
There are other questions that my main post makes.I am positive you know what
they are....please address them.
If you can.
BUT two in particular.
WOMEN ONLY TOURNEYS ARE BEING ABUSED ON LINE AND SHOULD BE STOPPED.
WE should channel the same arguments that were made for women originally to encourage
more visulally or physically impaired into the card room or casino tournaments.

ON an historical note,my great grand mother and my great aunt were both arrested and hounded for their beliefs and support for the suffragette movement so then I defend the right of women to make sexist remarks.


TO EGS500
I do understand your point that sex is used to advertise sport.
I understand that and accept that.
Surely you see that the main hrust of my statement LIES NOT IN THE FIRST PART BUT IN THE SECOND
poker is biased in favour of women
For some reason the replies that have been made on the whole concentrate on the fist and not the second.
Is it because no/one can argue against my contention.It would seem to be the case.

To JONJOJAZZ

I thank you for your post..jonojazz
Quote:
ahahahahahahahaha

if u gave me breasts all aye would do was feel em.

if u gave me breasts only tournaments, well aye'd ogle.

get a life imo.

sex sells period


Yes,sex sells...period....I do not deny it nor have I insinuated or made a case other wise.
Please refer to the above.

I posted a simple statement
Women should stand up and be counted.......for which I was branded a sexist,moaner and the sherriff told me where to go.
Comments of a sexist nature,whether in a joke or not remain sexist.Yet nothing was said against these that were made by friends or deputes of the sheriff
After your last post which you made certain statements,the sheriff posted a reply....not mentioning yours.which ,if it were to be read by anyone with the slightest intelligence could only be classified in one manner.
Is there much significance that can be gleaned from this fact?
I leave that to all fair minded people to decide.

To PokerGenius666
I am sure you have read the above and can see at least where some or the main points lie.



I will respond to any question or any slur on my integrety,if that is how the conversation goes.
I would rather respond to a reasoned argument.
I conceeded several times now the point on advertising,which seems to be at the forefront of the posts......but perhaps you should now drop that tact and deal with the others as outlined above...if you can.

[natsdad]

Sadly all you've done is give rambling reasons why ladies only tournaments are sexist. As i indicated earlier this has been dealt with on many different occasions.

Furthermore, pretty much anyone who disagrees with you is either insulted or patronised while those who show even a modicum of agreement with your views are hailed as visionary. It seems to me that rather than having their comments 'shot down' or 'allowing the passage of time to bury them', your detractors comments are buried by your avalanche of bull****. This thread is old as the hills and to quote the dragons 'I'm out.'

[fabrab]

Very well put enzo...The advertising is mostly done to make poker look
sexy.They could bring in rabbits wearing bikinis and people would still join
the online ranks.I,m sure that you are a nice lad but if you ever call me a
sassenach again then i might have to kill ya...:eek:...Just kidding m8..Is
there a need for girly tourneys on here.I,m sure that the wee lassies that
play on here take great pride in pitting their wits against other females.It
doesn't really bother me that these tourneys exist.I certainly don't think
that lady players are easier to play against.Interesting thread though...




:)

[almurray]

If its all about marketing and attracting female customers, I have a suggestion.

Get rid of the "Hotpants" from the shop cos most of the ladies who play online poker will look NASTY in em.

Replace with a Carbon or Poker.com vibrator or dildo. Make it say 50000 cp's to get it. Watch the wenches role in!

Am I a marketing genius or ****ing what!

[ropndonkies]

al your a fkn riot!!!!roflmao!!!!!!

[enzolito]

Absolutely......
thats what donkies do best is it not?Rolling in their own c.ra.p

[ropndonkies]

actually.....isnt that pigs?(sexiest):beaten:

[samkarmaguy]

Couldn't read all your post's too long. You need to sum up in like 3 sentances with some nice punctuation. :)

FACT - Men have been playing poker for a longer period of time than women.

FACT - Many women would feel uncomfortable playing at a table full of men.

FACT - Women only tournaments are a GREAT way to introduce new women to this game in a way that makes them feel comfortable.

Do I sound like Dwight Scrute ???

[lena411]

Couldn't read all your post's too long. You need to sum up in like 3 sentances with some nice punctuation. :)

FACT - Men have been playing poker for a longer period of time than women.
How sure are you of this, you must mean in the public?
FACT - Many women would feel uncomfortable playing at a table full of men.
I'd prefer to take a guy's stack ty
FACT - Women only tournaments are a GREAT way to introduce new women to this game in a way that makes them feel comfortable.
maybe
Do I sound like Dwight Scrute ???

the intro is so long.. im too busy playing the game lol i will try to read it sometime :)

[Gene1047]

Couldn't read all your post's too long. You need to sum up in like 3 sentances with some nice punctuation. :)

FACT - Men have been playing poker for a longer period of time than women.
Irrelevant - Though possibly a good arguement for beginners tournies where new players of either sex could learn the game.

FACT - Many women would feel uncomfortable playing at a table full of men.
In a live game maybe, but online I don't know. In many cases, you can't tell a man from a woman by the chosen name. Look at any ladies only tourny and you will likely see at least a couple that sound like male names. Since initially, all you can know about a person on online poker table is their name (which may or may not reflect anything about the actual person) you can only be intimidated by that name. If you are intimidated by a name, maybe you shouldn't be playing.

FACT - Women only tournaments are a GREAT way to introduce new women to this game in a way that makes them feel comfortable.
Unsubstantiated opinion.

Do I sound like Dwight Scrute ???
Who the hell is Dwight Scrute?

[Hearts26]

I think enzolito has too much time on his hands long & boreing posts and stupid topics.

[natsdad]

FACT - Women only tournaments are a GREAT way to introduce new women to this game in a way that makes them feel comfortable.
Unsubstantiated opinion.

Actually it's substantiated by the volume of posts from female players over the last couple of years saying that they DO feel more comfortable learning in that environment. :)

[Snoggler]

FACT - Women only tournaments are a GREAT way to introduce new women to this game in a way that makes them feel comfortable.
Unsubstantiated opinion.

Actually it's substantiated by the volume of posts from female players over the last couple of years saying that they DO feel more comfortable learning in that environment. :)

I dont disagree with that fact Nats. As you said Do Feel more Comfortable learning in that enviroment.

Hmm. Well i learned on the play tables and play money tourneys they used to have. Along with the rest of the people(men i guess, that didnt know txhold or omaha). I would have loved a Newbie program like a Poker School that some other sites might have. And this exact reason you Qouting is only reason why i have (25%):rolleyes:small problem with the ladys only.

And how long should a lady be playing the ladys only before she dont need to? Before she knows how to play? Expecialy when she is good enough to beat the pants off most men!;):win:

Just my word on that Again.

[natsdad]

There will always be guys who have a problem with them, small or otherwise. I just don't see the point in getting het up about it. Really. It's only a big deal to guys who decide to make it a big deal. And they're kinda sad. I mean if the guys who have a major problem with it only knew how silly they look when they explode into flames over the injustice of it all then maybe they'd go and do something worthwhile like give some time to a charitable organisation. Or lobby some politicians over REAL injustices. Not suggesting that's you Doug as i realise you only have a niggle about it. I guess this issue will keep reappearing every so often. Such is life. :)

[Gene1047]

I really don't care one way or the other. Just pointing out what I believed to be a flaw in an arguement. Don't claim something as a fact unless it really is a fact.

If there were a 4 hour block of time with nothing but ladies only tournies, I would care. As it is, there are plenty of things for me to play at the same times.

I would like to hear the opinions of more women on the issue tho. We have mostly guys here discussing how we "think" women feel about the issue.

[JayNYC]

If they ever get ladies only cash games...I'll be angry!

[stinkee]

Well, I think it's more like a minority thing, not sexist - women in poker are obviously a minority so it is OK to be biased in their favor (I am not saying it is OK, but society says it is OK) -- Just like here in the states it is OK for minorities to have functions strictly for them , like Miss Black America, the Latin Grammy awards, Hispanic Fund for college scholarships, Asian Excellence Awards, and I could go on and on- and if you were to have a White Excellence Awards?? -- I think people would get killed!! .... Anyways, that's my two cents.. I don't know why it's OK, but that's just the way it is and I don't think it will ever change.;)
PS- BTW , I guess I should state that I am a woman :p

[Snoggler]

Well, I think it's more like a minority thing, not sexist - women in poker are obviously a minority so it is OK to be biased in their favor (I am not saying it is OK, but society says it is OK) -- Just like here in the states it is OK for minorities to have functions strictly for them , like Miss Black America, the Latin Grammy awards, Hispanic Fund for college scholarships, Asian Excellence Awards, and I could go on and on- and if you were to have a White Excellence Awards?? -- I think people would get killed!! .... Anyways, that's my two cents.. I don't know why it's OK, but that's just the way it is and I don't think it will ever change.;)
PS- BTW , I guess I should state that I am a woman :p


LOL:wave: thought so after my first 2 games with you. :win:

I myself just saying ladys only tourney should be like new players tourney. The week or month of entry to site. To experience and learn. Nats no diff what you said only should be cut off like everything else. :beaten:

[cazwil]

I'm getting bored of seeing this over and over again, so just for those that want to know why there is an only ladies tourney, four times a week...

They were introduced when the forum dedicated a ladies sub forum. It was meant to bring more ladies into the forum, plus give them a place to learn the game in a fairly moderate place without getting sexistcomments on their play.


The reason for four games fell into a gauranteed game, and a normal buy-in game that fell on the weekends, the one time ladies found time to play and the other two games during the week were devised an equal split for Europeans and for Western times, so that everyone had a chance to play.

How anyone can think this is sexist is well, unfortunately I can't say. But credit where credit is due to the site to be forward thinking...

Andf if you 'BOYS' can't get your head around it, then maybe you should buy a good support bra, shave your legs, get a brazilian and paint your nails...


Otherwise shut up and enjoy the hundreds of other games that are being played other than the four that you seem to have a problem with.

[almurray]

Wonderbra on. (Tits looking great)
Legs shaved. (Looking kinda wierd, but soooooooooooooo smooth)
Brazilian done. (OMG I look like a snake with a mohican)
Nails pink. (Toes done too).

Where do I register?

[jonojazz]

Andf if you 'BOYS' can't get your head around it, then maybe you should buy a good support bra, shave your legs, get a brazilian and paint your nails....

:win:

[scotlady]

I'm getting bored of seeing this over and over again, so just for those that want to know why there is an only ladies tourney, four times a week...

They were introduced when the forum dedicated a ladies sub forum. It was meant to bring more ladies into the forum, plus give them a place to learn the game in a fairly moderate place without getting sexistcomments on their play.


The reason for four games fell into a gauranteed game, and a normal buy-in game that fell on the weekends, the one time ladies found time to play and the other two games during the week were devised an equal split for Europeans and for Western times, so that everyone had a chance to play.

How anyone can think this is sexist is well, unfortunately I can't say. But credit where credit is due to the site to be forward thinking...

Andf if you 'BOYS' can't get your head around it, then maybe you should buy a good support bra, shave your legs, get a brazilian and paint your nails...


Otherwise shut up and enjoy the hundreds of other games that are being played other than the four that you seem to have a problem with.

Still gonna miss u in Reading:( You make me laugh so much and this post reminded me of that :(

[babsone]

Why is Caz not going:wave:

[natsdad]

Why is Caz not going:wave:

She's recovering from a harsh brazilian.:P

[cazwil]

Your a bunch of nutters.

In answer to your question Babs, unfortunately I've been that good at work I have to cover for that weekend, so I can't get I'm afraid.

However.........

I am hopefully going to come in February if there is going to be another one.:D

[Snoggler]

I'm getting bored of seeing this over and over again, so just for those that want to know why there is an only ladies tourney, four times a week...

They were introduced when the forum dedicated a ladies sub forum. It was meant to bring more ladies into the forum, plus give them a place to learn the game in a fairly moderate place without getting sexistcomments on their play.
I can understand that Caz. But again i ask just one question witch is not sexist. When do you stop learning? I am non sexist, for god sake you should know that by now. I do beleive eveyone is equal. And the only way you will ever stop the sexist comments on table's from older non enlightend male's is to play and beat them. Show them up Like Survivor does and many others.

The reason for four games fell into a gauranteed game, and a normal buy-in game that fell on the weekends, the one time ladies found time to play and the other two games during the week were devised an equal split for Europeans and for Western times, so that everyone had a chance to play.
(everyone/ chance to play) Well Ladys yes not everyone. ( I had to learn against NoLimit6 she is a lady and erm well. lol.)

How anyone can think this is sexist is well, unfortunately I can't say. But credit where credit is due to the site to be forward thinking...
(hmm i dont know how forward when it does re afirm the old seperation of men and women caz)

Andf if you 'BOYS' can't get your head around it, then maybe you should buy a good support bra, shave your legs, get a brazilian and paint your nails...
(:eek:Your not promoting we make a ladys id and join?!?) I can get my head around a learning section yes, permanent no.

Otherwise shut up and enjoy the hundreds of other games that are being played other than the four that you seem to have a problem with.
The ladys only has 2 extra ribbons that a male cannot access.(this is equal) Only reason i would like a boys club, so's we can get a mascoline lol accolade.) Say a viagra pill type accolade?!?!

[cazwil]

I'm not against a boys club, I have never been so, just fed up of people coming on site and jibbing the ladies only tourney.

Again its just four tournies, so why folks have got their knickers in a twist about it, makes me laugh:D

[Snoggler]

Aye me knickers in no twist. hmm interesting thought though!;)

Personaly waiting to find out what enz is up to. But this is a just thread to actualy discuss this. If not ; then we may have ONE 1 Reason why maybe we couldnt have a boys game once a week? (LEGIT QUESTION)

[natsdad]

Aye me knickers in no twist. hmm interesting thought though!;)

Personaly waiting to find out what enz is up to. But this is a just thread to actualy discuss this. If not ; then we may have ONE 1 Reason why maybe we couldnt have a boys game once a week? (LEGIT QUESTION)

The more you say you don't have a problem with this the more you come off sounding like you do but don't want to appear that way.

If this thread just keeps going round in circles (which it is now) i'm gonna close it.

btw...Enzolito probably went back to shouting at people at tables.

[Kimmiejo]

The ladys only has 2 extra ribbons that a male cannot access.(this is equal) Only reason i would like a boys club, so's we can get a mascoline lol accolade.) Say a viagra pill type accolade?!?!

I don't know about u,but personally I would rather have the money for first rather then an accolade. I was excited when I got my ribbon,but the money was much nicer. I will sell ya my ribbon if it's that important to ya.:rolleyes::D

[scotlady]

The more you say you don't have a problem with this the more you come off sounding like you do but don't want to appear that way.

If this thread just keeps going round in circles (which it is now) i'm gonna close it.

btw...Enzolito probably went back to shouting at people at tables.

At least he got his post count up for league lol:beaten:

[natsdad]

At least he got his post count up for league lol:beaten:

If everyone did it in such a ridiculously overblown yet mildly entertaining manner i would have no problem with that.:)

[ThaSeFaw]

1st off....

ask any major corp... Molson, Labbats, Budweiser.......


does not a naked woman sell?

any night club owners around?

isnt the modo "where the ladies go the men will follow?

i believe any moron know that once you have woman. There will be many men....

how many relationships have started here (long distance at that)
I can name a couple....

How many guys are here because of the amount of woman?

i would say alot...

they make it smell nice here and i dont want them to go!!!!

Enzo... I am convinced your gay!!!!!

There should be no reason to hate so much as you do......
I think you need a therapist or something

or a woman!!!!


cause i bet my BR that your single
cause i gurantee there aint a woman that would stand by you with those opinions


MAy i also make a suggestion i make to all my employees!!!

If you dont like how things are done around here.... Go open your own f'n site and do what you want with it!!!

otherwise like it or lump it!

[fooca1]

Let them keep their tournaments, the hot waxing is murder and I couldn't find a bra that fitted!!!!!!!!!!!
If I promise to wear a dress can I join the tournies?
:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D

[Snoggler]

The more you say you don't have a problem with this the more you come off sounding like you do but don't want to appear that way.

If this thread just keeps going round in circles (which it is now) i'm gonna close it.

btw...Enzolito probably went back to shouting at people at tables.

If your refering to me Nats you didnt read my post. I have no problem with a ladys tourney!! "stated that!"

What i have a problem with is never any answers to legit questions.
I personaly posting i have a problem with a womens only tourneys(4)of them.(2) with accolades.
Personaly, I am asking for same for males!? This is a problem ?!?
And answer my Question: When does a woman player become good enough to play everyone else? And there for give another set of ladys a chance to learn with out one of the best being on a table taking the ribbons?

You use it saying that women need place to learn.

I don't know about u,but personally I would rather have the money for first rather then an accolade. I was excited when I got my ribbon,but the money was much nicer. I will sell ya my ribbon if it's that important to ya.:rolleyes::D

That pink one ? Kimmie dont toy with me. Id love it!!! The ladys sign one meh.. but the one with pink ribbon !!! dats kewler than the old 500$ blue one ....... 60K comp points id buy it !!!! lol