Comp Point Changes To Colosseum

[Liam]

Well here is a post to appease all the abuse and mud being slung my way.

Again, we are totally within out right to update/change/edit anything we see fit at anytime.

99% of the time if there is a change like this going to occur, then we do alert players. Unfortunately, this particular situation didn't permit that...

I have already answered several emails that have been sent to me directly from players, explaining the comp point change.

The only reason that I can see many players are upset by this change is that it will make achieving their bonuses harder... Ok! But that is not a valid reason to keep it!

I've noticed several players comment that yesterday there was 9 of these tables running, but today that isnt the case.

If you actually took the time to examine those tables, you would have noticed that about 7 of the same players were sat on all 9 of those tables. The players per flop % was nowhere near that of every other table and the hands per hour were well up. There were 7 players who were identified as comp point abusers and colluding to cheat a promotion.

And I will be dealing with these players severely.

Now in the past, when we have dealt with comp point abusers and reclaimed their prizes.... We were accused of all sorts of things... Rather than wait to the end of the month or shutdown these tables (and effect legitimate players) and seizing funds, we decided to stop this table being abused. There already were poker rooms on the merge network who only awarded 1 pt per hand (some rooms dont even award points at this stake), so we decided to bring all rooms in line and reduce the possible chance of abuse and fraudulent play.

We only adjust the amount of points after the comp point charts were amended, and were not falsely advertising.

At the end of the day we had to act quickly to stop this abuse. I understand that this would cause frustration and anger, but as I already said..... The biggest complaint is simply because people can't earn points as easily or clear bonuses.... Well it is for this reason that is was changed!

Final note: This forum is not a democracy and I will continue to remove posts as I see fit... And obviously if you are going to launch a personal attack to vent your frustrations over a marketing decision... Then yes, that thread will be removed as well.

[Miklosik]

I'm not quite sure that I understand how this stops the collusion and abuse that you have found. I don't play these tables and your decision does not affect me, and I am not nor did I kick any dirt your way. And that is not my intention with this post either. But what will keep these same 7 players from doing exactly the same thing at a different table?

[Liam]

Its not just these specific 7 players (although they are abusing march madness).... We have identified the cp pt payout on this table as incorrect.

And it is for that reason that it has been lowered.

When I say colluding - I mean they have all decided to soft play for max point and min rake. They do not raise pre-flop, to avoid the hand not seeing a flop and no points being awarded.

It was simply that these 7 players alerted us to the ease at which points could be earned on that particular table.

Many players are not playing that stake for any other reason that to earn comp points at a rate that is unfair to all other table types/stakes.

Obviously these 7 players could go to another stake etc, but they will not be able to earn points at the same rate (while paying minimal rake) and abuse the system as they currently are.... But in saying that, these players are going to be dealt with and the change in cp pts per hand is the least of their concerns.

The reason for the change is stop future promo abuse and forum friends playing this table to clear bonuses with the most ease. By changing the rate, even if players do soft play as they have been, then we wont have remove funds and close accounts in these situations.

[DedMansHand]

BAN THEM ALL!!

no promos = no complaints about comps... sounds like a winner to me

the comp system was not meant to be so easily abused... after all, the money has to come from somewhere. if it is hurting the bottom line of the business then things need to be changed. sorry if that hurts the chances of earning maximum free promo money, but poker is about winning money fair and square from the other players, not getting handouts for free from the promotions. Any little extra cash the site sends back to us is nice.... NEVER LOOK A GIFT HORSE IN THE MOUTH!!!

[Liam]

And Miklosik, I know you haven't slung mud and I am a big boy... So I can handle the insults... Dont worry I wont need therapy, but still....

I will continue to remove those kind of ranting posts that dont actually add to the debate.

I guess Im mostly disappointed that I took the time to personally respond to several players who then distributed that email and came to the forum to attack me personally.

Im more than happy for constructive criticism and think its required...

Im mean if it wasnt for constructive criticism then we wouldnt have been able to develop half the software features/functions that we do.....

[fritzson]

How about changing the whole point system...

I have an idea, but I prefer not to say it here.

What would you prefer PM or e-mail... if e-mail what adress?


:wave:

[Liam]

Always welcome suggestions fritz... just email it to support with ATT: Liam

They will forward to me...

Keep in mind tho with the release of V4.5 comp points will be completely changed and players will NOT be able to abuse certain tables....

Players can play whatever stake/game type they wish and will earn VIP points at the same rate as all players on the site.

[fritzson]

Always welcome suggestions fritz... just email it to support with ATT: Liam

They will forward to me...

Keep in mind tho with the release of V4.5 comp points will be completely changed and players will NOT be able to abuse certain tables....

Players can play whatever stake/game type they wish and will earn VIP points at the same rate as all players on the site.


Yes! I have that in mind... Maybe you already have my ideas in mind.. but still I send an e-mail. :wave:


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lol Ded....

Remember it is a business to attract people and people do like promos....

No Promos = No fun!

[DedMansHand]

Yes! I have that in mind... Maybe you already have my ideas in mind.. but still I send an e-mail. :wave:


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lol Ded....

Remember it is a business to attract people and people do like promos....

No Promos = No fun!

yea, but if the promos are too easy to abuse then what is the point of the business offering them? they lose money rather than make it. I for one am here for the best software in the industry. Promos mean nothing to me... I am a poker aficionado... not a freebie hunter! This site offers hundreds of thousands of dollars in promos every month, and if the comp point system needs a little trimming in order to keep everything else going... then so be it. if there were no freerolls and no guaranteed prize pools, I could agree with the gripe. The fact is, the promos are all through the site and the comps are but a small piece of the total handout offered by the site!!!

[minifish]

lol ded r u the owner of merge....are u aware that the rake is 5% what means if u play 20 raked hands the industry runs away with 1 pot without haveing any risks....ok the have to pay the staff the work and other thinks and they have to make promos to attract players.....but if i think that one big bet per 100 hands is the earning of a good player in long run and industriy gets in this time 10 pots if all hands raked ...i dont feel much pitty with industry.......and if they offer promos i take them for my best....but if they offer tabels with 1% rake i only play this tabels in future without any other promo....no need for any further rakeback then......
and since when the industry can tell me how to play ak ....its my choise wether i raise limp or fold it.....if i see that a player in front of me raises who raises only 2% of his hands maybe i fold ak.....and if this guy raises 20 % of his hands maybe i reraise him with ak...so easy .....
or blind stealing...if i see that the blind is quiet loose and agressive myaybe i limp with at in late position....if i see he or she is tight i raise with a7 cause i have the chance to get the blinds without a fight......so easy
but any pokersite has the right to do what they want....i have the choice wether i play on this site or not....

[minifish]

sorry 5 pot per 100 raked hands only for the industry.....now i see they suffer ....

[casaveia]

This promotion is only good for the one playing high stakes.
Every table should win the same amount of comp points.
U go for higher tables because you want to win bigger, not because of comp points.

[fritzson]

This promotion is only good for the one playing high stakes.
Every table should win the same amount of comp points.
U go for higher tables because you want to win bigger, not because of comp points.


Higher stake players pays more in rake too.. I don't think it if fair that lower stake get same points.

[casaveia]

Higher stake players pays more in rake too.. I don't think it if fair that lower stake get same points.

This is true, but higher stake should be less raked.

[DedMansHand]

lol ded r u the owner of merge....are u aware that the rake is 5% what means if u play 20 raked hands the industry runs away with 1 pot without haveing any risks....ok the have to pay the staff the work and other thinks and they have to make promos to attract players.....but if i think that one big bet per 100 hands is the earning of a good player in long run and industriy gets in this time 10 pots if all hands raked ...i dont feel much pitty with industry.......and if they offer promos i take them for my best....but if they offer tabels with 1% rake i only play this tabels in future without any other promo,....no need for any further rakeback then......
and since when the industry can tell me how to play ak ....its my choise wether i raise limp or fold it.....if i see that a player in front of me raises who raises only 2% of his hands maybe i fold ak.....and if this guy raises 20 % of his hands maybe i reraise him with ak...so easy .....
or blind stealing...if i see that the blind is quiet loose and agressive myaybe i limp with at in late position....if i see he or she is tight i raise with a7 cause i have the chance to get the blinds without a fight......so easy
but any pokersite has the right to do what they want....i have the choice wether i play on this site or not....

okay, yes I own the site for all intents and purposes of this debate...LMAO!



this site offers $140,000 in freerolls alone... every single month

Also...everyday there is a $2500 gtt, a $3500 gtt, 3x$1500 gtts, 5x$500 gtts, 4x$200 gtts, a dozen or so $1000 gtts and $1250 gtts, plus a $25,000 gtt every Sunday and a $5000 gtt on Saturday... add in the how ever many thousands the site gives back in promo money through comps and playthroughs on deposits, affiliate cut and the like every single day, and you are looking at what this site offers up in real free cash promo. Yes, the business wants to make a profit, and yes, I am sure they do well.... BUT... from a players perspective, the complainers in here really do sound like they want to have their cake and eat it too. Play poker, win, or lose, and Shut it up. They don't have to offer anything and most the players would still chose to play here over the competition.

FYI- Im not an owner nor am I an employee... Im just an avid player with a unappreciated, thankless volunteer duty here in the forum... nothing more!

[Liam]

You are saying that a $25/$50 table should pay less rake than a $0.05/$0.10 table...

wow!

[minifish]

lol ... some arguments make no sense...of cause high stakes players have a caped rake ...or pays a player who gos all in with 1000 bucks at a nl table 50 bucks rake ?

to take part at the freerolls i have to make about 350 points a day ....this have been round about 180 hand a day or 2 and a half hour playing at one table colloseum.....now i have to play 500 hands or myve 7 hours to play freerolls here.....not what i will do....of cause i try to say this the management of merge...and if i play more then one table i only can play abc poker .....i hope for me that now some .5/1 tables open that i can play the freerolls on merge in nest time....another possibility to stop softplaying colloseum only take rake if the pot is 2$ and give then three points.....stop take rake for 20 cents..... lol there r sites doing this....but the site will lose too much cents if they do this i guess.....

[almurray]

Ah well. Never mind.

Guess the number of people in the 10k will drop now. Maybe it will actually be easier to win in some of those freerolls now?

[szogo23]

I've noticed several players comment that yesterday there was 9 of these tables running, but today that isnt the case.

If you actually took the time to examine those tables, you would have noticed that about 7 of the same players were sat on all 9 of those tables. The players per flop % was nowhere near that of every other table and the hands per hour were well up. There were 7 players who were identified as comp point abusers and colluding to cheat a promotion.

And I will be dealing with these players severely.

Now in the past, when we have dealt with comp point abusers and reclaimed their prizes.... We were accused of all sorts of things... Rather than wait to the end of the month or shutdown these tables (and effect legitimate players) and seizing funds, we decided to stop this table being abused. There already were poker rooms on the merge network who only awarded 1 pt per hand (some rooms dont even award points at this stake), so we decided to bring all rooms in line and reduce the possible chance of abuse and fraudulent play.


My first post at the forum but as i keep playing at march madnes promo i will post something.

Its not the first promo i play here (first to try to gain maximum from this promo i admit) but for example in December it was same thing (then i earn like 50k comp points, so not playing to much). People were siting at those tables and playing so tight that it was ridicoulous. Calling aces/kings/nuts all the way to the river. No raise whatsoever. Ok you can play your style i admit it.

I think you should know that it will be the same thing now.

I have nothing against changing the comp point system but as i said you should figured it out before march.

Ok im playing 12 tables to max earning comp points per hour. I was sitting at Coloseum and raise like half of my hands becouse people were so tight (not everybody but many of them). It was so fun :D i may loose more money that i won at those tables but still fun for everyone :d

Whats my point. Now the same people switch to Yellowstone and the game looks like that (most of it).

Many people is shortsacking (i know part of the game, even called a style of play) and game looks like this: Fold Fold Fold..all inn by one of the shorstack.

I know its poker but this is so ridicoulos. Of course there is some people who play full stack. But it changed anything?

I remeber some collusion thing/playing with friends at december promo. You were waiting with this until the end. You mention it but please take this player out of the game as soon as possible and not wait until 1 april lilke it was on december.

Just my opinion.

[natsdad]

Apparently players are leaving left, right and centre... but i notice quite a few colosseum regulars who don't often come in here have been in for a peek at this thread.

Seems to me that in relation to other tables and levels colosseum was 'soft'. Easier to get comps with little risk, than other tables. I may be reading it wrong ( the comps table is a little skew wiff on my admin page) but the level above now still has 3 compared to colosseum's 1. This seems fairer than it did if that's the case as previously they were identically rewarded.

Some of you will regard that as me toeing the party line, or owning PDC:rolleyes: or some such tosh. It's just mho.

[muzza1]

The coloseum tables were soft, which is why most people wanting cps went there and why it was so easy to abuse by having 8 tables open. We've been here before and I'm in no doubt PDC is correct to remove this potential abuse.
As for driving players away, have you tried to get a seat on a NL table lately? It's only the tables which were open to abuse which have suffered.

The only thing I would blame PDC for here is not announcing their decision first - not asking for input or opening the subject up for debate, simply announcing it. So not really much to get upset about unless you were trying to abuse the promotion is there:eek:

[Snoggler]

I still like to read about the VIP prog. :beaten: promo's blow my mind. Um so do satellites. Wish i could get 2 carbon hats lol one for me and bro. :D ahh well coupons. Again thank you for the info , you do have the right; just nice to get the why for :wave:

[fromafar]

So not really much to get upset about unless you were trying to abuse the promotion is there:eek:

I don't chase promos and it takes me months to clear bonuses, so I resent the assumption that everyone who plays low limit, and is upset about the recent changes, is 'abusing the system".

I'm upset about it (as I said in the 'deleted thread') because they have just all but eliminated the low limit tables. I grew up on limit and enjoy sitting down and playing for 30-45 minutes - you can't even get a seat at a decent low n/l table in that time. Personally I don't give a hoot why other players were there, they were good for some cash.

If they really wanted to prevent the problem, including the levels others will migrate to, then limit the number of tables any one player can be at.

Besides, they are doing away with the whole comp point system anyway, why not just penilize those abusing it? Come'on, you can't convince me they just now noticed any 'soft' comp points at one table when they have made a big deal about other promos being abused.

[natsdad]

Come'on, you can't convince me they just now noticed any 'soft' comp points at one table when they have made a big deal about other promos being abused.

No i think they knew that the ones collared for abusing the promos were using this level, but it wasn't just that one. Maybe they didn't realise the extent until they analysed what was happening with this one. I'm not sure i see an alternative to the part of your post i've quoted. What other reason would there be?

And i'm sure no-one meant to offend colosseum players who don't abuse the system.

[almurray]

The "abuse" will now just move to the Yellowstone tables. Guess they will change the points on there too very soon.

Watch how many tables get opened now, and also the average pots fall dramatically.

[muzza1]

I'm upset about it (as I said in the 'deleted thread') because they have just all but eliminated the low limit tables.

I assume you weren't so upset, you abused Liam because of it? That's the people I was talking about there. I've spent time playing there too and still do now and again, I didn't mean to suggest that everyone who is a bit annoyed at the changes was an abuser.:o

The "abuse" will now just move to the Yellowstone tables. Guess they will change the points on there too very soon.

Watch how many tables get opened now, and also the average pots fall dramatically.

Maybe, but NL can be pretty expensive if you try to soft play and it will become so obvious if any group of players attempt it

[fromafar]

Okay - I have to apologize to muzza... In retrospect, I guess I somewhat fall into an abuser category. I have picked a number of SnG's and continued to play at the Colosseum tables with adding to my comp point total somewhat in mind.

I'm copping to my guilt because when the VIP program was announced, and the discontinuation of comp points in the future, I checked and discovered I would need about 7,000 more comp points to cash mine out for a $60 coupon. As I usually earn 5,000 in a month anyway, going for extra might be doable before the VIP program gets here... Sorry... :embarrassment:

[almurray]

The "abuse" will now just move to the Yellowstone tables. Guess they will change the points on there too very soon.

Watch how many tables get opened now, and also the average pots fall dramatically.

LMAO:- 18 Tijuana tables open.
17 Yellowstone open.

They aren't stupid are they....increase the rake.com

Brilliant business.........get the management team to run the banking system!

[Survivor777]

[quote=Liam;366024]Well here is a post to appease all the abuse and mud being slung my way.

There were 7 players who were identified as comp point abusers and colluding to cheat a promotion. (hmm reminds me of the Dec promo)
And I will be dealing with these players severely. http://i147.photobucket.com/albums/r295/Survivor777_photo/1489.jpgRah Rah Liam

At the end of the day we had to act quickly to stop this abuse. I understand that this would cause frustration and anger, but as I already said.....

The biggest complaint is simply because people can't earn points as easily or clear bonuses.... Well it is for this reason that is was changed! http://i147.photobucket.com/albums/r295/Survivor777_photo/clapping.gif

[Survivor777]

[quote=natsdad;366076]Apparently players are leaving left, right and centre... but i notice quite a few colosseum regulars who don't often come in here have been in for a peek at this thread.

p.s. Sry forgot I wanted to comment on this or would have put it in my other post.

Apparently lots of those players are not aware that just because they may have "invisible mode" checked that mods can still see who is really on ROFLMAO :D

[Tzarvone]

I was one of the active players on the Colosseum tables and although the points were easy to gain I'm glad about the change. As long as FL Hold'em is my 2nd game of choice (after PL 5-draw) I must admit that these were the most boring games in my life... I played tightly, but still many players were so tight that my premium hands often were dominated. And with max 30% plrs/flop no odds for drawing ocured even. So I played cautiously sometimes, but not softplaying any hands and I'm sure many FL regulars did the same. If there were tables with to say 180 hands per hour I didn't joined because there surely was something fishy.

Another thing which disturbs me is multitabling regarded as a sort of collusion or softplay in the given situation. If there were 4 active tables at 0.5/1 I would have played there instead playing 8-9 at 0.25/0.5 with the same people. This is simply a matter of availability, so with the change I hope there will be at least 2-3 tables running soon. The Bad Beat tables 1/2 are another option as well as the shorthanded ones. So now we could easily see how many people play FL, not only for points, but because they like the game. For me personally this promo is a great chance to gain experience and hopefully to make some profit.There is nothing wrong, in my opinion, if any players have the time and will to reach the maximum by multitabling for many hours and thus keeping the tables active.

[MUNKEYNUTZZ]

although i somewhat agree with you it takes away from the people that otherwise would be able to gain enough points to play the freerolls and do not have the ability to play often or a larger amount of bankroll. In that instance it isn't fair. And by the way dude i played tables with you quite often and have poker crusher software and you are no where near considerd a tight player. You raise roughly 65% of the time. and call about 80% of the hands played.

[Thaxiss]

I wanna sling some abuse and mud.

Liam, your father was a hamster, and your mother smelled of elderberries.

PS, it was cruel not to tell me slinging mud was a metaphor. Took me 30 minutes to clean my monitor.

[Liam]

although i somewhat agree with you it takes away from the people that otherwise would be able to gain enough points to play the freerolls and do not have the ability to play often or a larger amount of bankroll. In that instance it isn't fair. And by the way dude i played tables with you quite often and have poker crusher software and you are no where near considerd a tight player. You raise roughly 65% of the time. and call about 80% of the hands played.

This change has not removed the ability for players to gain freeroll entry!

They simply now cant hijack these tables which were out of sync with all other tables... Players were earning max points without paying literally any rake.

All we have done is made if fairer for players who weren't abusing that table. If you want to earn points at a faster rate then you will have to play the NL table or a higher stake...

But complaining that now you cant qualify for these freerolls is incorrect, you simply now have to pay what is a fair rake to receive entry.

And as mentioned earlier, this rewards the players who are qualifying correctly with what will be a better E.V. tourney.

[Liam]

I wanna sling some abuse and mud.

Liam, your father was a hamster, and your mother smelled of elderberries.

PS, it was cruel not to tell me slinging mud was a metaphor. Took me 30 minutes to clean my monitor.

LOL....

Good thing I said mud and not what monkeys like to sling at the zoo!

Would have been far worse to clean....

[ThaSeFaw]

When Rue went from 5 pts to 3 points i knew collo was in trouble!!

Real glad im too busy to play this month by the looks of things!

[fritzson]

I positive thing is... Colosseum is not dead!

The sad thing is that the real "Limit community" (those who prefer to play limit for real, not for fast way to gain points) is very small on merge network,
as well as the "Omaha community" is. :(

[pokerclown]

I used to play 1-2 quite a bit on Carbon/PDC (typically 4 tables or more). Promos/bonuses/vip rewards are VERY important for a player like myself. Sure, I expect to make profit on my play, but I also want to be working off a promo or bonus. Considering sites compete for player's business, these things should be expected by serious players.

Carbon's first Decemeber promo was pretty solid...I was one of 9 people to get the Nintendo Wii. I probably put in $2500 in rake that month and earned about $800 worth of bonuses/prizes. In future months, these promos became too hard in my opinion to make anything worthwhile. Not to mention, the comp store had nothing worth buying...I couldn't cash in points for money or tourneys...no VIP program and really only one Freeroll that I ever played...even though I was ALWAYS eligible for EVERY freeroll. For me, the $50,000 Freeroll and occasionally the $10,000 Freeroll were the only ones worth trying to be around for.

In my opinion, Carbon if they want to grow in terms of serious players need to:

1. Use rake to determine freeroll eligibility. Make the bigger freerolls somewhat exclusive...i.e., you need to play a LOT at micro stakes to be eligible for the 50K. Keep the $1000 freerolls for the .05-.10 micro players easy as the higher stake players won't bother with these anyway.

2. Have some real rewards in the comp store...no real player cares that much about a carbon cup, t shirt or chip protector. We want cash, big tourney buyins and tv's. Make sure points are based on rake so that what you give out equates to whatever rakeback % you are willing to dish out.

3. VIP program...could be good, but once again...based on rake with some % back to your regular players that is enticing. More you play, the higer rakeback you can earn.

[khicks26]

i played these tables for the comp pts to get in the freerolls, but i played the right way.
raising when i should, and calling down when i should. i never made money playing these tables. i would just break even. it was an easy way to get the comp pts.

so because 7 clowns play like jackasses i get the short end of the stick. that said i did make some money off the christmas promo playing these tables. but after that i said i will never do it agian, because everyone at the tables played like a joke, and it made the games suck.

way not make the promos pts differant from the freeroll pts. so people that do play the right way get to play in the freerolls.

for 1 hand you get 3 pts for the freerolls and only 1pt for the promo.

[sakana]

All hell broke out since I've been gone on here. I don't know if I want to come back or not.

[DADuhWEEwah]

This change has not removed the ability for players to gain freeroll entry!

They simply now cant hijack these tables which were out of sync with all other tables... Players were earning max points without paying literally any rake.

All we have done is made if fairer for players who weren't abusing that table. If you want to earn points at a faster rate then you will have to play the NL table or a higher stake...

But complaining that now you cant qualify for these freerolls is incorrect, you simply now have to pay what is a fair rake to receive entry.

And as mentioned earlier, this rewards the players who are qualifying correctly with what will be a better E.V. tourney.


Liam, I know how to say F U if u need a new hire..... im drunk... but seriously how anyone is upset is beyond me........


PS. check ur damn PDC email I have something for u that u will never get unless u respond.....

PPS: or ill just continue beating the hell out of stuff....

PPPS: give 3-6 tables 10 CP per hand, its worthy.....

PPPPS: Hello!



PPPPPPS: my middle name is Liam...



























I lie but it would be cooool

[Froliche]

lol no one is getting shorted here, you had a free lunch for a while and now it's over thats all. And thanks alot Liam for dealing with promo abusers in the proper way, maybe people will start reading the T's and C's(or just figure out that cheating is illegal) lol

seriously tho it makes promo wh0res like myself happy when you bust illegitimate wh0res such as the seatle 7 here.

oh btw Al GL colluding at the yellowstones with me raising every feckin hand! GG GG and daduh is prolly right 3 6 NL should be 10 pts

[Froliche]

btw will there still be comp pts promos under the VIP system? i'm guessing you can't answer that till april or w/e but just throwin that sh1t out there

[almurray]

People..............it's happened.

It doesnt matter.

It's not gonna get changed back.

Get on with life.

Move to the NL tables or move up stakes on limit.

Life is too short to keep on moaning.

PS.........Liam .....I love you!!!!

[DADuhWEEwah]

The comp point system on this site is a mere fraction as good as the top online poker sites. Ex. on carbon poker you earn comp points at an extremely slow rate compared to *******. In a matter of a week u can earn enough points for a hat and a shirt. It can take well over a month on carbon poker. I have played on this site for about 1 year and only earned 500,000 comps. I love the site and won;t switch purely for comp points, however, the regular players should be rewarded better than this systems allows. I have played for countless hours look up the info if u can Liam. I feel the site would benefit in awarding comp points at a faster rate, and i would like to sport some carbon gear but don't won't to spend the points on it... too expensive. I have thought about this for a long time and have played at many different sites. I continue to play at carbon poker for a reason, but that reason is definitely not for the comp points, nor for the cashout methods, but that is a completely seperate issue, rant.




Yea and ***** puts you into a 50K freeroll every month, and puts you into a 10K freeroll every sunday, and lets you do promotions where at times you can make 12,500$ +++ and atleast 2K every month, and gives you reload bonuses every time you deposit almost...

Pizz on ******

I actually banned myself from there (im allowed to participate in real money games on August 17th at 5 PM CST)

Wasnt losing, just wasting a lot of hours.... and I hope to run like god when my self inclusion is up!

But still they give dlck compared to this site

[Liam]

DADuhLeeWam - that is your new nickname, lol

[fritzson]

DADuhLeeWam - that is your new nickname, lol

LMAO... Right in the spot I think! :win: :D

[DADuhWEEwah]

DADuhLeeWam - that is your new nickname, lol

DADuhLEEwam***



Easier to teach special needs kids quantum physics than to explain the simplicity of the fact that other sites truly do not cater the lower stakes players as well as this site does.


Send this guy a T-Shirt it is all he plays for, not to collect money from all the promos and freerolls to buy his own Gucci Suit or bag of duck decoys.

[Froliche]

ummm wtfpwned!?

[almurray]

I agree. I have played at a few other sites. Points are generally harder to accumulate and other than spending them on "freeroll" entry or maybe saving up 50000000000000 for a Porsche Cayene, not a lot of point.

I just hope the VIP reward programme (I am not a VIP...well I am, but not on here) will reward those top level players in a good way and doesn't detract from what is already here.

I know I am a low level player, but love the software on here. Dabbled elsewhere....got fed up. They should call this Boomerangpoker.com ..................we always come back.

As Tony the tiger says......It's Grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrreeeeaaaaa aaaaat!

[dacomebackid]

Where did my original post go? If you removed it that is very sad,I should have more respect considering how much rake I have paid into his site. Thanks

[DADuhWEEwah]

nothin was deleted?

[ThaSeFaw]

DADuhLEEwam***



Easier to teach special needs kids quantum physics than to explain the simplicity of the fact that other sites truly do not cater the lower stakes players as well as this site does.


Send this guy a T-Shirt it is all he plays for, not to collect money from all the promos and freerolls to buy his own Gucci Suit or bag of duck decoys.

Hey i won my Prada sunglasses from 50k winnings from this site!

but i am still debating if i will play cash tables here now!

im a tight ass and a bit of a donk
i like having the ability to call right to the end for an extra $1 just to see the persons cards!

thats why i love low limits
it used to take me 2 weeks to qualify for the 50k on the collisseum
now at the current point system it will take me 6 weeks to get into a tourny that plays every month!

so no point :(:mad:

[fritzson]

LOL Thasefaw, after about 4 weeks you loose your points and have to start all over again.

I have notice a little problem too... well, it is not a very big deal, but I think it
is a little sad.

I am a low stake player and does not play cash game that often, because I
think it is soo boring, I can't kick someone out. ;) I want things to happens,
like in tourneys and sngs. So, that is the reason to why I rarely play cash
tables, so if do,.... I play 1 or 2 tables, and I get a few points... Say I can
mange to get me 250 comp point while I play.... I use to take a break one
or two days, and then my points had been moving up to the 5k freeroll. WTF...
I was playing in first hand for 1 k, not 5k freeroll..

That part is sad! I don't know it there is any meaning to work on a change
on this one before this vip thing. Otherwise I suggest we fill up 1k first, and
later 10 k and after that 5k.... not just because you take a break for a few
days. That makes it twice as hard to be eligible for 1 k freeroll... that is if
you want sometimes to play it.

This has nothing to do with colosseum getting less point, it is happening anyway.


Just a thought... while we still have these freerolls as they are now. :)

[Fireman2x]

how can some sites who play on the same network offer double comp points??

[Honsey]

how can some sites who play on the same network offer double comp points??You don't mention how they are getting double comp points so it's hard to say. There are some things that are network wide and other things that are site specific. Since each site is responsible for maintaining their own comp point store I imagine that they can also control special comp point "Promotions". PDCpoker and Carbonpoker are owned by the same folks so what you see on one will be the same on the other, the only difference right now is that PDCpoker does not have a comp point store yet. Maybe once the VIP program goes into effect everything will be the same across the whole merge network, I don't really know. But you have to remember that even though the other merge sites share the same platform as we do they are owned and operated independent of our sites so they probably will have their own promotions.

[pkrplr4116]

I don't have a Carbon acct, but I have over 100,000PDC points. can I send mine at Carbon store? If so, how do I do it without joining at Carbon?

You don't mention how they are getting double comp points so it's hard to say. There are some things that are network wide and other things that are site specific. Since each site is responsible for maintaining their own comp point store I imagine that they can also control special comp point "Promotions". PDCpoker and Carbonpoker are owned by the same folks so what you see on one will be the same on the other, the only difference right now is that PDCpoker does not have a comp point store yet. Maybe once the VIP program goes into effect everything will be the same across the whole merge network, I don't really know. But you have to remember that even though the other merge sites share the same platform as we do they are owned and operated independent of our sites so they probably will have their own promotions.

[pkrplr4116]

will those who never abused the system be allowed to keep out points, asked the one with over 100,000?
Always welcome suggestions fritz... just email it to support with ATT: Liam

They will forward to me...

Keep in mind tho with the release of V4.5 comp points will be completely changed and players will NOT be able to abuse certain tables....

Players can play whatever stake/game type they wish and will earn VIP points at the same rate as all players on the site.

[pkrplr4116]

and, and, now I have ugh CRABS! YUCK

[VailSkiBum]

BAN THEM ALL!!

no promos = no complaints about comps... sounds like a winner to me

the comp system was not meant to be so easily abused... after all, the money has to come from somewhere. if it is hurting the bottom line of the business then things need to be changed. sorry if that hurts the chances of earning maximum free promo money, but poker is about winning money fair and square from the other players, not getting handouts for free from the promotions. Any little extra cash the site sends back to us is nice.... NEVER LOOK A GIFT HORSE IN THE MOUTH!!!

WAT? Since when does online poker NOT include promotions or other enticements to get players to join and or stay on a site? This comment was just plain ridiculous.

[VailSkiBum]

I haven't read through this entire thread yet, but I am still going to give my 2 cents. First, I have been an ardent supporter of Carbon ever since I joined last year. I play the site almost daily, have NEVER had any problems (actually, support has been VERY good), and play here almost every day.

I remember reading in here during the Xmas promo that there was a handful of players abusing the double comp point deal in order to max their comp points. Carbon/PDC/Merge thought that doing away with this would make it harder to clear promo bonuses. I am sure it did, just not at the level they anticipated.

Again, I enjoy Carbon, but I feel this was handled pretty poorly.

1. Management does away with double comp points to curb promo payouts.
2. Management starts new promo.
3. Players are STILL killing the promos.
4. Management scrambles to stop bleeding cash.

I am pretty sure this is EXACTLY what happened. If there were a relatively very, very, very, very small number of players that were soft playing 25NL for cp's, lay it out in the open, deal with them individually, keep your word with current promos, and learn a lesson.

The bottom line here is trust.

So if management makes a mistake and starts to hemorrhage cash due to a ill thought out promo, then the dedicated players who have worked to clear these bonus levels by actually playing are the ones that suffer?

And TBH, the reason this ****es me off is because in the past I could always defend Carbon with a clear conscience. Oh, BTW, this is getting a lot of "air time" at 2p2 right now which is not good at all.

[Survivor777]

Always welcome suggestions fritz... just email it to support with ATT: Liam They will forward to me... Keep in mind tho with the release of V4.5 comp points will be completely changed and players will NOT be able to abuse certain tables....

Players can play whatever stake/game type they wish and will earn VIP points at the same rate as all players on the site. :confused:

Copied & pasted from blog:

Welcome to Carbon Poker's new VIP Program. Here you will find yourself partaking in one of the most exciting and rewarding poker loyalty programs around. Our aim is simple and clear: to reward players where it counts; in their player wallets, while providing an exciting and challenging rewards structure that caters equally to all players from the casual to the full time professional.

The VIP program consists of several key features. First off players are assigned a class depending on the amount they play.

The four different tiers; Earth, Wind, Fire & Water are designed to reward all players according to the amount they play. Players are categorized on the amount they rake; with those raking more having access to better rewards.

So, the way I'm understanding this is that the high limit players once again will benefit from this, not the low and mid players :beaten: :rolleyes: Doesn't sound like it "caters equally" to all players :rolleyes:

Please correct me if I'm wrong :P Just the way I'm interpreting it

[muzza1]

:confused:[/COLOR]

Copied & pasted from blog:

Welcome to Carbon Poker's new VIP Program. Here you will find yourself partaking in one of the most exciting and rewarding poker loyalty programs around. Our aim is simple and clear: to reward players where it counts; in their player wallets, while providing an exciting and challenging rewards structure that caters equally to all players from the casual to the full time professional.

The VIP program consists of several key features. First off players are assigned a class depending on the amount they play.

The four different tiers; Earth, Wind, Fire & Water are designed to reward all players according to the amount they play. Players are categorized on the amount they rake; with those raking more having access to better rewards.

So, the way I'm understanding this is that the high limit players once again will benefit from this, not the low and mid players :beaten: :rolleyes: Doesn't sound like it "caters equally" to all players :rolleyes:

Please correct me if I'm wrong :P Just the way I'm interpreting it

No I think what it means is we will all generate points at the same level with no extra weighting being added to high stakes games. Obviously the rake will be higher so the points will accrue faster but it will be at the same percentage level. Theres a few other sites I play which are the same Linda, they have great stuff but I play tournaments mainly so they're well out of reach:rolleyes:

[Survivor777]

No I think what it means is we will all generate points at the same level with no extra weighting being added to high stakes games. Obviously the rake will be higher so the points will accrue faster but it will be at the same percentage level. Theres a few other sites I play which are the same Linda, they have great stuff but I play tournaments mainly so they're well out of reach:rolleyes:

:wave: Good explanation hun and you're probably correct. I didn't go far enough to analyze it like you did; thanks. I basically only play tourneys too, so oh well :)

[VailSkiBum]

yea, but if the promos are too easy to abuse then what is the point of the business offering them? they lose money rather than make it. I for one am here for the best software in the industry. Promos mean nothing to me... I am a poker aficionado... not a freebie hunter! This site offers hundreds of thousands of dollars in promos every month, and if the comp point system needs a little trimming in order to keep everything else going... then so be it. if there were no freerolls and no guaranteed prize pools, I could agree with the gripe. The fact is, the promos are all through the site and the comps are but a small piece of the total handout offered by the site!!!

If the promos are too easy to abuse, then management has a serious leak in their business sense in the first place. No sites "hand out" anything. It is all a cost of doing business. It is a form of advertising in a cut throat business. They don't "lose" money by offering freerolls, promos, etc., they have an expense they write off as a cost of business.

Concerning their recent promos of converting cp's to bonuses, I am of the thought that they probably are "losing money" on this. And it is due to a complete failure on managements part to calculate the correct levels of a promo in order to ensure at least a break even scenario.

Again, I like this site, but all this warm fuzzy hugging and hand holding in this forum is crazy. It's a business just like any other and ****ping on all "customers" because of a handful of bad customers is "NOT" good for business.

What I don't understand is slamming players for so called "soft" play. I played my butt off during the xmas promo (tons more than I normally play) for the sole purpose of trying to clear the xmas promo levels. Isn't that why it's there? To entice members to play more??? And yes, I played like a complete nit. I was not about to play tight-passive poker and give away all my cash in trying to clear bonus levels.

Personally, I think they just need to get rid of their comp point monthly chase promotions altogether.

Most players, including me, will always look at competing poker rooms and decide which room at any given moment will benefit the player the most, not the room. And I am sure they know that.

Oh, and I am not even eligible for the promo. It's just the principal;)

[SteelmanJohn]

Anyone here can send me $3000 and I will send them an ipod.....please allow 10 weeks for delivery :)

[VailSkiBum]

If the promos are too easy to abuse, then management has a serious leak in their business sense in the first place. No sites "hand out" anything. It is all a cost of doing business. It is a form of advertising in a cut throat business. They don't "lose" money by offering freerolls, promos, etc., they have an expense they write off as a cost of business.

Concerning their recent promos of converting cp's to bonuses, I am of the thought that they probably are "losing money" on this. And it is due to a complete failure on managements part to calculate the correct levels of a promo in order to ensure at least a break even scenario.

Again, I like this site, but all this warm fuzzy hugging and hand holding in this forum is crazy. It's a business just like any other and ****ping on all "customers" because of a handful of bad customers is "NOT" good for business.

What I don't understand is slamming players for so called "soft" play. I played my butt off during the xmas promo (tons more than I normally play) for the sole purpose of trying to clear the xmas promo levels. Isn't that why it's there? To entice members to play more??? And yes, I played like a complete nit. I was not about to play tight-passive poker and give away all my cash in trying to clear bonus levels.

Personally, I think they just need to get rid of their comp point monthly chase promotions altogether.

Most players, including me, will always look at competing poker rooms and decide which room at any given moment will benefit the player the most, not the room. And I am sure they know that.

Oh, and I am not even eligible for the promo. It's just the principal;)

i meant loose

[VailSkiBum]

Anyone here can send me $3000 and I will send them an ipod.....please allow 10 weeks for delivery :)

Is it 24k gold and diamond crusted?

[SteelmanJohn]

Is it 24k gold and diamond crusted?

sorry that model is out of stock at the present time :)

[Survivor777]

[quote=VailSkiBum;369004]If the promos are too easy to abuse, then management has a serious leak in their business sense in the first place.

I disagree! They just didn't think it through enough nor did they count on "cheaters" like in the xmas promo. Thank those cheats for the way things had to be changed. I'm not going to take my time to explain to you what happened with the cheaters, but I'm sure a little searching on here you will find out more. And, yep they deserved what they got - their prize money taken away :rolleyes:

[Survivor777]

sorry that model is out of stock at the present time :)

I'd like one in Platinum please if you can promise delivery by Christmas ROFL

[Survivor777]

Originally Posted by DedMansHand http://forum.carbonpoker.com/images/buttons/viewpost.gif (http://forum.carbonpoker.com/showthread.php?p=366037#post366037)
yea, but if the promos are too easy to abuse then what is the point of the business offering them? they lose money rather than make it. I for one am here for the best software in the industry. Promos mean nothing to me... I am a poker aficionado... not a freebie hunter! This site offers hundreds of thousands of dollars in promos every month, and if the comp point system needs a little trimming in order to keep everything else going... then so be it. if there were no freerolls and no guaranteed prize pools, I could agree with the gripe. The fact is, the promos are all through the site and the comps are but a small piece of the total handout offered by the site!!!

D I T T O

[VailSkiBum]

I was here and read all about the xmas promo (I joined the forum in Oct 08). I also understand (understood) at the time that managements "fix" for this was to do away with the double cp's for starting tables. This obviously was not enough. When I was playing the xmas promo I was grinding 25NL 5 or 6 hours a day and without fail there were 4 or 5 players that were multi-tabling 15+ tables that they obviously started and then waited for AA, KK, etc. before they would even consider calling a BB.

I totally agree with management stopping the double cp's. But tbh, it is a gray area to hammer players for playing super TAG while trying to clear a bonus. Even if that was not their "intention", there was really nothing done wrong unless collusion or some other form of what you called "cheating" was taking place. Playing like a complete nit is not cheating. Is it really up to someone else to dictate "how" a player plays their cards? I got a kick out of this rule for the MM.

"Any form of cheating or collusion will not be tolerated. All game histories will be checked, if players are not playing within the spirit of the competition they will become ineligible for the prize and may result in your account being closed."

"Spirit of the competition"????? What????? That statement is so ambiguous, it's funny.

Stopping double cp's in between promos was a smart and correct move. Realizing that that was not enough to curb their promo payouts and changing the rules in the middle of the game is a bs move. There may be 10 players that are really going out of their way to clear this bonus by playing super TAG, but what about the hundreds (?) of others that are just playing their game in the hopes of getting a little something and then realize that their work was for naught. This is what I disagree with.

[Survivor777]

Quote:
Originally Posted by VailSkiBum http://forum.carbonpoker.com/images/buttons/viewpost.gif (http://forum.carbonpoker.com/showthread.php?p=369019#post369019)

bla bla bla bla bla This is what I disagree with.


So, you go on 2+2 and keep the BS going. They should ban your ass from here :rolleyes: Between you and some others, players are up in arms on 2+2 refusing to ever play here, one stating he was going to deposit today and is not going to now, etc, etc. And all you posting on their forum about how crooked this site is, LEAVE THEN !!! How low can you stoop and then continue to play on this site and post here :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: If I ran PDC/Carbon after reading your posts and others, you would be permanently gone :beaten:

[VailSkiBum]

LOL

I came here AFTER reading about it on 2p2. Oh, and why do you call it BS? I just reread the VIP thread here and u have a lot of posts in there crying about losing your comp points.

It's painfully obvious that you are upset because the only intelligent reply you can come up with is blah, blah, blah. I was actually hoping to discuss this issue with people that actually think about things before making useless comments.:rolleyes:

[Survivor777]

Mod: please delete the first short one - i have no edit button to delete, sry

[Survivor777]

LOL

I came here AFTER reading about it on 2p2. Oh, and why do you call it BS? I just reread the VIP thread here and u have a lot of posts in there crying about losing your comp points.

It's painfully obvious that you are upset because the only intelligent reply you can come up with is blah, blah, blah. I was actually hoping to discuss this issue with people that actually think about things before making useless comments.:rolleyes:

You're way off base! That blah, blah, blah was for the **** YOU posted. My only question was am I going to lose my 375,000 points or what will be done. I was not nasty like you and I don't whine :rolleyes: They take my pts away, oh well. I have bigger fish to fry like staying alive from my lung cancer, and two other family members with cancer too, so ftw - LEAVE IF YOU'RE NOT HAPPY HERE :wave:

[VailSkiBum]

Quote:
Originally Posted by VailSkiBum http://forum.carbonpoker.com/images/buttons/viewpost.gif (http://forum.carbonpoker.com/showthread.php?p=369019#post369019)

bla bla bla bla bla This is what I disagree with.


So, you go on 2+2 and keep the BS going. They should ban your ass from here :rolleyes: Between you and some others, players are up in arms on 2+2 refusing to ever play here, one stating he was going to deposit today and is not going to now, etc, etc. And all you posting on their forum about how crooked this site is, LEAVE THEN !!! How low can you stoop and then continue to play on this site and post here :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: If I ran PDC/Carbon after reading your posts and others, you would be permanently gone :beaten:

Well, you don't run Carbon. And I said nothing on 2p2 that I haven't said here. If people's skin is too thin to take some criticism then they need to stay off forums. There is nothing wrong with debate, and I don't have to agree with Carbon all of the time. Crooked....hmmm, do you want to copy & paste my posts here or should I. You are actually cracking me up. I bet you are just steaming staring at your monitor. LOL. I GUARANTEE that Liam or whoever will go to 2p2 and read the thread. They will see where I supposedly called Carbon crooked. :rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes: I can use emoticons too. woo hoo

[VailSkiBum]

Actually, I will help you out Survivor. Please show me where I called Carbon crooked.

Here is my first post:

"I will do my best to explain (not justify) some of this **** they pulled. Carbon/PDC are owned by the same people. They own the Merge network. Carbon/PDC are the flagship rooms for Merge. So any decision that Merge makes is basically coming straight from Carbon and/or PDC. They are all one in the same.

Concerning the March Madness promo. I agree that it is complete bs that they nailed you for so called "soft play" to rack up comp points. A little history--Prior to this promo, they ran a promo that was basically the same; rack up comp points and get cash. The only problem with the old promos prior to this one is they had a deal where if you were the first at a table that then went 4 handed, you received double comp points. I played the last promo and I can tell you there were about 4 or 5 players that would sit at table 20 hours a day and soft play like there was no tomorrow. They of course racked up around 1 million cp's for the month. After that promo, Merge stopped the double comp points for starting tables because players WERE abusing the promo.

That being said, I can't believe they are pulling this chyt AFTER they stopped the double comp points. I have played Carbon for over a year on a regular basis and have never had any problems with them. But this is just ridiculous.

Also, I just play there. I do not know anyone associated with Merge.

Edit: As Merge thought that taking away the double comp points would slow down on people racking up comp points for the promo, I wonder if players are still killing the promo causing Merge to start this BS with players to lessen their payouts for the promo. Complete BS. And another thing, Carbon's rake is dealt, not contributed. So ALL players get cp's and rakeback as soon as someone calls the BB. This is actually starting to **** me off because in the past I could always defend them. Not so much anymore."

Here is my 2nd post:

"I read the same thing at the Carbon forum 2 or 3 months ago. And no, I was not one of the 7 players abusing the cp's, but I could probably rattle off half their names now because they were on so much during the Xmas promo. Merge usually has pretty good action at 25NL and I usually play 4 or 5 tables while I am on.

Like I said in my last post, I bet Carbon/PDC realized their promo payouts vs. comp points gained was still something that a lot of players could and would actually max out on for the month. I have a feeling that during the xmas promo they got their asses handed to em by players reaching the 500k to 1M comp point range and had to pay out tens if not hundreds of thousands of $$'s that they had not planned on. I have a feeling that a couple hundred grand a month is a pretty substantial hit for the Merge network. This new promo doesn't even affect me as I am not even eligible for it. I hope this guy gets his money, comp points, and promo payments back.

Edit: I didn't see that in the forum. But then again, I haven't been there in a couple weeks. That is exactly what I thought, they set the promo at a level that was easily beatable. Using 7 players as an excuse is just that, an excuse. They didn't spend enough time crunching numbers to make sure they didn't lose big time. And Liam's comment about playing to rack up cp's or clear bonuses. For christ sakes, isn't that what everybody does. How many ppl play ******** like machines just to get supernova?"

Here is my 3rd post: (a copy of what I posted here)

"I just posted this on the Carbon forum. Now I am curious to see what they do with my account.

Edit: This basically goes right at what checkfold said. I am curious to see what their response is going to be.

"I haven't read through this entire thread yet, but I am still going to give my 2 cents. First, I have been an ardent supporter of Carbon ever since I joined last year. I play the site almost daily, have NEVER had any problems (actually, support has been VERY good), and play here almost every day.

I remember reading in here during the Xmas promo that there was a handful of players abusing the double comp point deal in order to max their comp points. Carbon/PDC/Merge thought that doing away with this would make it harder to clear promo bonuses. I am sure it did, just not at the level they anticipated.

Again, I enjoy Carbon, but I feel this was handled pretty poorly.

1. Management does away with double comp points to curb promo payouts.
2. Management starts new promo.
3. Players are STILL killing the promos.
4. Management scrambles to stop bleeding cash.

I am pretty sure this is EXACTLY what happened. If there were a relatively very, very, very, very small number of players that were soft playing 25NL for cp's, lay it out in the open, deal with them individually, keep your word with current promos, and learn a lesson.

The bottom line here is trust.

So if management makes a mistake and starts to hemorrhage cash due to a ill thought out promo, then the dedicated players who have worked to clear these bonus levels by actually playing are the ones that suffer?

And TBH, the reason this ****es me off is because in the past I could always defend Carbon with a clear conscience. Oh, BTW, this is getting a lot of "air time" at 2p2 right now which is not good at all."

Here's the 4th:

"I agree with you 100% but reading the Carbon forum it looks like they are taking a stance of hurting ALL players, not just the ones that were abusing the promo. This is a bad management decision.

BTW, if anyone wants to read it first hand, here is the link to their forum. I don't know if you have to join first to read their forum, but it's here anyway."

And here is the last:

"No, this is the thread for the current march madness promo. I had read another thread there a couple of months ago after they lost their asses on the xmas promo and did away with the double comp points for starting tables."


OK, show me where I called them CROOKS. Like I said, I posted nothing at 2p2 that I have not stated here.

Carbon set the rules. They could have dealt with the individuals on an individual basis and let the promo run its course and THEN change the amount of cp's at certain levels. AGAIN, my point is this is a bad decision because it punishes the whole community, not just those they feel "cheated".

And quite frankly, I don't care what YOU think as you have no bearing on how I play or how I get cp's and any other promo/benefit from Carbon.

[Survivor777]

I didn't say YOU - a different guy. Hope that clears it up

[Survivor777]

No damn edit button, grrrrrrrr. This all goes back to the xmas promo where there were checkdown's of Royal Flushes etc. Good night - I still support what they did then and now :wave:

[Froliche]

hey this is for you ski bum, they're not being taken off the promo for being TAG. They only get douched out the promo if the admins are 100% certain there is collusion and promo abuse going on, meaning there are chat messages of these people making deals to check down, and/or people checking down absolute nuts left and right, collusion is collusion. nothing wrong with playing super tight other than me coming in and taking your stack! OMG OMG OMG AA VS 67YOU LOSE!!! ROAR!

[MissSmash]

No damn edit button, grrrrrrrr. This all goes back to the xmas promo where there were checkdown's of Royal Flushes etc. Good night - I still support what they did then and now :wave:

REALLY DOES LUNG CANCER AFFECT 1'S BRAINS TOO?
MOST PEOPLE WHO HIT A ROYAL CHECK IT DOWN SO AS NOT TO CHASE OTHERS OF THE HAND SO THAT A SHOWDOWN HAPPENS AS IS NEEDED TO CLAIM BONUS BLAH BLAH BLAH BLAH LETS KISS ASS!

[Survivor777]

REALLY DOES LUNG CANCER AFFECT 1'S BRAINS TOO?
MOST PEOPLE WHO HIT A ROYAL CHECK IT DOWN SO AS NOT TO CHASE OTHERS OF THE HAND SO THAT A SHOWDOWN HAPPENS AS IS NEEDED TO CLAIM BONUS BLAH BLAH BLAH BLAH LETS KISS ASS!

How pathetic to even mention my lung cancer, you are one sick and uncompassionate individual!!!!!!!!!!!!

And, it was LIAM who talked about checking down royal flushes etc in the xmas promo - NOT ME - search the site .. you know nothing about the cheating that went on so shut up

[xxSPRINGTIMExx]

REALLY DOES LUNG CANCER AFFECT 1'S BRAINS TOO?
MOST PEOPLE WHO HIT A ROYAL CHECK IT DOWN SO AS NOT TO CHASE OTHERS OF THE HAND SO THAT A SHOWDOWN HAPPENS AS IS NEEDED TO CLAIM BONUS BLAH BLAH BLAH BLAH LETS KISS ASS!

:eek:that is a real sick comment:eek:

[scotlady]

REALLY DOES LUNG CANCER AFFECT 1'S BRAINS TOO?
MOST PEOPLE WHO HIT A ROYAL CHECK IT DOWN SO AS NOT TO CHASE OTHERS OF THE HAND SO THAT A SHOWDOWN HAPPENS AS IS NEEDED TO CLAIM BONUS BLAH BLAH BLAH BLAH LETS KISS ASS!

I only hope one day that statement doesnt affect anyone in ur family or indeed yourself.

[xxSPRINGTIMExx]

I only hope one day that statement doesnt affect anyone in ur family or indeed yourself.

here here well said hun xx

[Skunkr]

[B][COLOR=blue]How pathetic to even mention my lung cancer, you are one sick and uncompassionate individual!!!!!!!!!!!!

From wot ive read it was u (as in many other posts and constant times on the tables) that mentioned LUNG CANCER first !!!!!!!

Skunk ( dont even say it I already no im a sick individual aswell )

[Miklosik]

wth is wrong you ppl? ffs. I wouldn't wish cancer on anyone but seriously, you are pushing the limits of my generosity.

[Snoggler]

I Quoted smaller in red. Self explanatory i think.

MissSmash;369086[/size]]REALLY DOES LUNG CANCER AFFECT 1'S BRAINS TOO?

[Snoggler]

Close the thread please. :beaten:

[MissSmash]

all i can say is that it has affected people in my family and has affected their brains in the end but at least they didn't go round using it every time as a shield everytime someone disagreed with them or upset them!

[fritzson]

This thread went out of line... as Snoggler said! Close the thread.

I just wish I could get points little faster.... without playing 12 hours per day,
and without playing stakes above my poor bankroll. :o :beaten:


Well, this must be history now, and we have to accept that they are not going
to change it back.


I have notice that there are still smart players around here... lol
Oh, it was not me. :(


IMO, to use cancer in posts like MissSmash did is very low and very sad. :mad:

[Survivor777]

all i can say is that it has affected people in my family and has affected their brains in the end but at least they didn't go round using it every time as a shield everytime someone disagreed with them or upset them!

WHO THE PHUCK DO YOU THINK YOU ARE - ONE PATHETIC INDIVIDUAL!!!!! I DON'T USE THE "CANCER CARD" FOR YOUR INFORMATION OR AS A SHIELD - I PRAY AND LIVE MY LIFE RIGHT SO STFU

HORRIBLE THING TO SAY!

[Survivor777]

I can't edit the other post, but here's an FYI for you sick individuals out there -

They are watching an area on my brain, for a month now, and no one on here evens knows about it !!!!!!!!!!!! until now ................

[muzza1]

all i can say is that it has affected people in my family and has affected their brains in the end but at least they didn't go round using it every time as a shield everytime someone disagreed with them or upset them!

I don't think she used it as a shield, I read it as I've got more things to worry about than a few CPs, so I butting out of the discussion.

Certainly not something which warranted a comment like yours. That was probably the sickest comment I've seen on the forum for a long while and I seriously doubt anyone whose family members had suffered from it would make that statement.

Makes me wonder what your motivation for that sort of comment is and who you really are. There's no reason to make such a personal attack and continue in that vein. I've noticed the vast majority of your posts concern promos and maybe you are one of the affected players, if so I'm sorry, it's obviously affected you badly prompting such an offensive comment

[ropndonkies]

all i can say is that it has affected people in my family and has affected their brains in the end but at least they didn't go round using it every time as a shield everytime someone disagreed with them or upset them!

close this thread right after you ban this fkn moron!!!!

[SteelmanJohn]

might be a horrible thing to say but you do have to check down a royal if you expect to get the bonus.

[Skunkr]

but at least they didn't go round using it every time as a shield everytime someone disagreed with them or upset them!

fair comment in my opinion ( oh and their first post was a question not a comment)

[muzza1]

might be a horrible thing to say but you do have to check down a royal if you expect to get the bonus.

fair comment in my opinion ( oh and their first post was a question not a comment)

I think we all know about Mistress Ds boys and exactly what your particular axe to grind is.

[VailSkiBum]

I figured I would come back on here to see how many ppl decided to flame my posts from yesterday. I still stand by my comment that management made these changes not only because of a very, very, small handful of people, but because they realized that MOST ppl playing LHE can generate more cp's than rake. They miscalculated (MADE A MISTAKE) and now are screwing everyone that plays LHE and trying to clear the MM bonuses. Again, they could have dealt with the "cheaters" individually and then sucked it up and rode out the promo. I don't care what poker room it is, if you change promos mid stream it leaves players wondering about a sites integrity.

I understand there is a core group of ppl here on the forum (maybe 30 to 40) that will defend Carbon with their last breath, but this group is less than 1% of Carbons member base. And I have seen nothing on Carbon's homepage or promo page letting ppl know that the cp payout was lowered. What did they do, just change the cp level in the table on the "comp point" page. Puleeze!

[Snoggler]

HUGGZ Muzza. :D

[Skunkr]

I think we all know about Mistress Ds boys and exactly what your particular axe to grind is.

got nowt to do with D the way i post. i just dont like hypocrits and hypocondriacts and certain forum members who make it there quest to attack other members, be it on this forum or others

nuff said im goin for a pizza

[muzza1]

I figured I would come back on here to see how many ppl decided to flame my posts from yesterday. I still stand by my comment that management made these changes not only because of a very, very, small handful of people, but because they realized that MOST ppl playing LHE can generate more cp's than rake. They miscalculated (MADE A MISTAKE) and now are screwing everyone that plays LHE and trying to clear the MM bonuses. Again, they could have dealt with the "cheaters" individually and then sucked it up and rode out the promo. I don't care what poker room it is, if you change promos mid stream it leaves players wondering about a sites integrity.
I understand there is a core group of ppl here on the forum (maybe 30 to 40) that will defend Carbon with their last breath, but this group is less than 1% of Carbons member base. And I have seen nothing on Carbon's homepage or promo page letting ppl know that the cp payout was lowered. What did they do, just change the cp level in the table on the "comp point" page. Puleeze!

I doubt very much that you will get an argument about that, we've been though it already numerous times. It is bad for business, but it's over and done with, the points have changed and won't be changing back so what's the point you're trying to make? I don't see any rush to flame your posts and don't really understand your motivation for this, are you trying to tell me there are players who are unaware of the changes?

[SteelmanJohn]

I think we all know about Mistress Ds boys and exactly what your particular axe to grind is.

Your a headsup player how many xblinds would you raise a royal on a colosseum table?

[Skunkr]

pizza shop shut havin an indians instead.....hope i dont get heart burn

[muzza1]

Your a headsup player how many xblinds would you raise a royal on a colosseum table?

Well as it's colloseum, that'll be 1 before or 2 after the turn

I'm also pretty sure I got paid out for a Royal that didn't go to showdown. I flopped it and value bet the river then rabbitted it.


There's a thread where it was discussed, I'm sure it was Liam or Jason confirmed it didn't have to go to showdown and it would be paid as long as you hit the hand and only rabbitted to show it. But yeah you're right, most players will play safe unless they know it'll get paid.

Fail to see what that has to do with persistent and prolonged soft play/collusion to gain CPs and abuse a promo.

[VailSkiBum]

I doubt very much that you will get an argument about that, we've been though it already numerous times. It is bad for business, but it's over and done with, the points have changed and won't be changing back so what's the point you're trying to make? I don't see any rush to flame your posts and don't really understand your motivation for this, are you trying to tell me there are players who are unaware of the changes?

Ummm, yeah!! I would appreciate it if anyone could show me a link to anything that explains their change that is outside of this forum. (Like I said, 30 to 40 ppl knowing about this via the forum is nothing). And BTW, all I got yesterday when I came here to question the change was flames.

[fritzson]

Well as it's colloseum, that'll be 1 before or 2 after the turn

I'm also pretty sure I got paid out for a Royal that didn't go to showdown. I flopped it and value bet the river then rabbitted it.


There's a thread where it was discussed, I'm sure it was Liam or Jason confirmed it didn't have to go to showdown and it would be paid as long as you hit the hand and only rabbitted to show it. But yeah you're right, most players will play safe unless they know it'll get paid.

Fail to see what that has to do with persistent and prolonged soft play/collusion to gain CPs and abuse a promo.




So, it is almost the same as for Mr & Mrs Santa... that didn't need to go to showdown.

I had Royal once and won a lot more than my stack on that hand... :D
Guess I was a bit lucky, first it was a big bet to see the flop, later one were
trying to bluff, but failed, the other one hit straight... it was 3 all in with me. :win:
I think I got paid 40 bucks for that Royal flush excluded Royal bonus.

That was not on limit! If I have a Royal I probably bet for value, but if I know
the player will fold there would be no meaning with the bet... that is a hard
question. If recall it correct; this NN told the opponent to check shown
down. I was at the table at the time.... I think the opponent this NN were up
against was about to bet, but NN said check.

[muzza1]

Ummm, yeah!! I would appreciate it if anyone could show me a link to anything that explains their change that is outside of this forum. (Like I said, 30 to 40 ppl knowing about this via the forum is nothing). And BTW, all I got yesterday when I came here to question the change was flames.

Not one colloseum table in use, I think everybody knows;)

No responses yet, but I have been burnt at the stake in the Carbon forum for arguing that what they did was not cool.

A bit of flaming maybe, but hardly a roasting, or you are way too sensitive

Nobody is using the tables, if you have a problem why not take it up with the Cardroom Manager. The site have made a decision and if people aren't happy with it they'll take their business elsewhere. If that becomes a problem then the site will need to change their decision. I agree with you the promo was ill concieved yet again, but they plugged the leak and life goes on. If the ships still afloat with no passengers, they'll change things again

[cazwil]

I don't think I have to expalin why this thread has been closed.

I'll post in Admin and let Liam have a look at this and see where it goes from there.

Caz