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JaredRay
04-10-2009, 06:51 AM
Hello everyone,

I've been playing online poker now for seven years and one of the things that kept me on point is something called bankroll management. Some of the older players that have been around for awhile probably already know about this concept, but to all those that are just starting out this is something to consider.

First off bankroll management is where you play at certain limits to avoid losing all of your bankroll due to bad runs of cards, which any poker player must expect from time to time. This is called ‘playing within your bankroll’. Subsequently, if you play at higher limits where there is too great a chance of losing all of your poker money, you are ‘playing out of your bankroll’.

The reason why you should choose your limits carefully in poker is due to the variance. Variance is a term used to describe the ‘ups and downs’ of poker where you fluctuate from having bad runs of cards to good runs of cards, resulting in varying profits and losses. If you play poker for long enough there are going to be periods of time where you will consistently lose money, not because you are playing badly, but because the cards are not falling your way. This means that if you do not have enough money in your bankroll to absorb these downswings, it is likely that you will lose it all.

So your asking yourself what limits should I be playing at?

Cash Games
If you play No Limit poker, the safe recommended size of your bankroll is 20 times the full buy-in of where you want to play. This means that if you want to have the best chance of making money at a $1/$2 game where the maximum buy-in is $200, you should have a bankroll of at least $4000. Another way of applying bankroll management is by only putting a maximum 5% of your entire bankroll on the table at any one time, which works out the same as having 20 times the buy-in for the game.

If you play Limit Holdem however, you should have 300 Big Bets as a minimum for the limit you wish to play at. Therefore to play $1/$2 limit Holdem, you should have a bankroll of $600 at least.

Tournament Games
It is recommended that you have a bankroll that will give you 40 buy-ins to the level of tournaments that you wish to play at. Therefore if you want to play at the $10+$1 Sit n Go’s you should have a bankroll of $440.

For any poker player intending to make money from playing poker, it is essential that you exercise good bankroll management skills. If you do not then you are setting yourself up for failure that you will find hard to prevent, no matter how good you may be at poker.

It should be noted that if you are a losing poker player, bankroll management is not going to help you win money. The guidelines mentioned above will only apply if you know that you are a winning poker player in the long run.

Wish I knew about this when I was first starting out. It would have saved me a lot of money. Anyways Semper Fi and "good luck" at the tables.

JaredRay
04-10-2009, 08:06 AM
Please rate and give your thoughts.

hdfree
04-10-2009, 08:21 AM
I'm always faithful ....... GL to you too ! :wave:

RobPalmer
04-10-2009, 10:22 AM
bankroll management is the only way I play. This is why you will only see me playing the 600 at 845 lobby time. I had to withdraw because of sickness and loss of job so I am rebuilding my BR and then I will start playing other games when I reach the point I have set for myself.

I was in your location in 1975 for desert trainning, 2nd Recon. The best jump ever was there. I got caught in an updraft and it took me a full 5 minutes to get on the ground.

JaredRay
04-10-2009, 10:35 AM
Yea, Twentynine Palms has some good desert training. That's cool I didn't know they use to jump out here (Army?). Thank you for you service back in '75.

Glad you liked my post... I hope it helps the new and reminds the old.

RobPalmer
04-10-2009, 10:47 AM
Yea, Twentynine Palms has some good desert training. That's cool I didn't know they use to jump out here (Army?). Thank you for you service back in '75.

Glad you liked my post... I hope it helps the new and reminds the old.

USMC -- It wasnt a jump school - It was a jump exercise for our already tranined jumpers -- just to experience the updrafts if we could catch one.

JaredRay
04-10-2009, 11:14 AM
Always wanted to jump. I bet it's pretty fun to jump out of a plane. I heard the school is pretty tuff.

reynaldo
04-10-2009, 01:42 PM
i totally agree with the management! takes a little longer at times but.. helps fight thru the tough times that u will deffinetly encounter...

BustedJJ
04-15-2009, 05:05 PM
Absolutely agree bankroll management is a must.

The amount you listed is on the low side IMO and would be that of a player who wouldn't be devastated if they lost their bankroll.

Just to elaborate a little bit, a small stakes player who plays recreationally should do fine with the requirements listed above. However as you move up in stakes, play against more aggressive players and your bankroll becomes larger and therefore that much more difficult to replace, then your bankroll management should become more conservative.

I play $.50/1 and I feel most comfortable with a bankroll above 30 buy-ins and would feel even better w/ 40. A significant hit at this level of say 10-12 buy-ins, will hurt but it will not devastate me, and I can just step down limits and grind it back up.

Now if I want to take a shot at $1/2 I'm going to do it with at least 25 buy-ins and set a stop loss of 5 buy-ins. If I lose that then I step back down and try again later. If I'm successful at that then I'm bankrolled to continue in that limit without too much stress.

The reason that I'm so conservative is not just because of the possibility of a downswing, but also because of the stress of playing on a limited bankroll and it's potential negative effect on my game. With a big cushion I alleviate that stress and am able to play my A game more often.

cobbie1966
04-16-2009, 07:32 PM
i think this is the best way to do it,but has any one started with nothin,see im starting with no deposit,so im playing freerolls and its very difficult,ive won some money but its not like your talking about,so is there anyone thats tring to do what im doin?...cobbie

BustedJJ
04-16-2009, 09:37 PM
i think this is the best way to do it,but has any one started with nothin,see im starting with no deposit,so im playing freerolls and its very difficult,ive won some money but its not like your talking about,so is there anyone thats tring to do what im doin?...cobbie

Almost a year ago, I was broke (bad bankroll management). I found a site w/ a free $10 sign-up bonus. I signed up and got my free money and started playing poker. With that small of an amount of money you do have to gamble and there is a high likelihood of you losing it.

I used it to play $0.25-0.50 sit and goes. I also gambled with it some and got lucky playing $1 and $2 sit and goes. Fortunately I ran well and turned it into a bankroll. Once I had $100 I started playing $0.05/0.10 cash games (that was the smallest game available on that site) buying in short. At that point I started practicing better bankroll management, but I was still running the risk of going broke. I was moving up when I had 10-15 Buy-ins for the next level, which is pretty risky, but it worked at the time.

I ran all the way up to $1/2 this way and then I hit a major downswing. It hurt. A month later I was back to $0.25/0.50 and grinding. Since then I won't play with less than 25 buy-ins, or more if possible. Now I'm enjoying $0.50/1 and I plan to stay here a while and make some real money.

GL

pokerfiend101
04-23-2009, 06:06 PM
These guidelines are fine if you actually move down when you go below them. I definitely want more than this if I'm mass multi-tabling though. Cause 40 BI for SnGs is very aggressive if you're playing a lot of tables, you can definitely lose that even if you are a winning player.

Thaxiss
05-18-2009, 03:48 AM
Bump.

Cobbie, these guidelines are for serious players, or players with an established roll. Most players simply reload. If you can't or don't wanna deposit, here's how I built my first stack...

It started with winning some money in a freeroll, like you have.

The first thing to remember is keep playing the freerolls.

I went to the .02/.04 tables and played ultra tight. I bought in for .50 folded everything but AA, KK and QQ, which I all in'd. If I doubled up, I sat out, joined another table for .50, then left the first table. (Join the 2nd table BEFORE you leave the first, or you have to buy in for what ever you have on the table.)

Once I got up to around $4, I started seeing pairs (for 1 or 2 bets only) and waited for aset. Otherwise, the strategy was the same. When you hit around $15, move to the .05/.10 table w/$2 or $3.

You have an advantage in that once you hit $6, you can move to the .60 sit n go tourneys. Now you can play your style of poker, rather than folding all the time. Plus the tourneys are fairly soft, so you can win money faster. I had to wait until I had around $10, then started the $2.20 sit n gos.

As for the tourneys, I played at one level until I had 10 buyins of the next highest level. If I went 3 or more tourneys w/o winning money, i dropped down for a bit. Eventually I had around $800.

If I played MTT's, I stayed at the $2 or $3 buy ins, because you'll win far less often.

I lost that stack because I tried to learn to play cash games. I played at a level consistent with my roll, but not my skill. This corresponded with a bad run, and I would tilt off 3 or 4 buy ins because of 2 or 3 bad beats. I lost patience and didn't drop down in levels.

bluelips
06-01-2009, 07:00 PM
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JayNYC
06-20-2009, 01:21 PM
2 buyins tops, IMO.